But what if they started cheating before they were placed on probation
They should totally get a free pass for that hypothetical situation
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They should totally get a free pass for that hypothetical situation
There is a bit of a loophole here for UM.
If you commit a new offense while on probation one can revisit the original offense and impose more penalties. However, snce the probationary period almost certainly did not start retroactive from now the NCAA could not go back and punish them further for burgergate because of spygate.
But, that doesn't mean they can't look at burgergate when considering what penalties to impose for spygate.
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ScriptOhio
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NCAA announces approved agreement with Michigan over NCAA recruiting violations
Tuesday morning, the NCAA announced its findings for one of the Michigan football team's two active NCAA investigations.
Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel responded to the release with a written statement: "Today's joint resolution pertains to the University of Michigan Athletic Department and several former and current employees. We are pleased to reach a resolution on this matter so that our student-athletes and our football program can move forward. We have no additional information and cannot comment further on other aspects of the NCAA's inquiries."The violations, often referred to by fans as "BurgerGate" were cited by the NCAA as "impermissible in-person recruiting contacts during a COVID-19 dead period, impermissible tryouts, and the program exceeding the number of allowed countable coaches when noncoaching staff members engaged in on- and off-field coaching activities (including providing technical and tactical skills instruction to student-athletes)."
A year ago, those were all viewed as Level-II violations — a fairly minor violation and unlikely to merit severe penalties. Where things escalated was in what the NCAA deemed Tuesday as a "head coach responsibility violation and the former football head coach failed to meet his responsibility to cooperate with the investigation."
This was considered a Level-I violation by the NCAA, and ultimately led to Michigan suspending head coach Jim Harbaugh for the first three games of the 2023 season.
In the NCAA's release, it stated that part of the resolution included "the school's agreement" on Harbaugh's violation of responsibility. It further stated that "the school also agreed that it failed to deter and detect the impermissible recruiting contacts and did not ensure that the football program adhered to rules for noncoaching staff members."
According to the NCAA's release "one former coach did not participate in the agreement, and that portion of the case will be considered separately by the Committee on Infractions, after which the committee will release its full decision." It also said "the committee's final decision — including potential violations and penalties for the former coach — is pending."
While that does not explicitly state that Harbaugh is the coach refusing to participate in the agreement, the NCAA's decision to use multiple resolution paths — the fourth time it has ever done so — seems to hint that the NCAA is no longer holding Michigan responsible for Harbaugh's compliance.
In terms of agreed-upon punishments for Michigan, the NCAA stated that it would include:
- "Three years of probation for the school"
- "A fine and recruiting restrictions in alignment with the Level I-Mitigated classification for the school"
- "The participating individuals also agreed to one-year show-cause orders consistent with the Level II-Standard and Level II-Mitigated classifications of their respective violations."
Just sayin': Harbaugh single handedly turned a Level 2 violation investigation into a level 1 violation by not cooperating.......
Jim Harbaugh's Level 1 violation reportedly stems from him buying players burgers - and being dishonest about it.
Harbaugh's violation occurred after he 'bought a recruit a hamburger'
Jim Harbaugh's alleged Level 1 violation reportedly stems from him buying players burgers - and being dishonest about it.www.dailymail.co.uk
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There better be more to come, because the NCAA said 4 games, they said fuck you...we're doing 3, and now they get a frowny faced email?Those fuckers from up north thought the penalties were done with the Hairball three game suspension.
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…only for the violations of Covid era restrictions
The stuff for Stallions and company … that sword of Damocles drops later
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Recruiting restrictions? Pfffft… they only got 3, them bitches are restricting themselves
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Oh I know. I guess I should have clarified which 3 game suspension I was talking about.....since that dipfuck cheater had to serve 2 different 3 game suspensions.
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Probably has been said a million times in here if I looked back. But the irony/bitchery of this cannot be lost on anyone. They tried to cheat covid rules for an advantage and upon realizing Day & Co. would in fact hang 100 on them, made up covid excuses to cancel the game. I thought I couldn't hate them any more, but I stand corrected.
Fuck them, seriously. And the next series of punishments for the sign stealing should be entertaining after they just got done with this one. Not a single ttun fan I spoke with believed that the NCAA investigation was still ongoing after the B1G handed down their slap on the wrist, didn't even recognize the difference. There's notable radio silence now. Usually I just hate them because they're them...now fuel is on the fire. We better trounce these cheaters in November.
Fuck them, seriously. And the next series of punishments for the sign stealing should be entertaining after they just got done with this one. Not a single ttun fan I spoke with believed that the NCAA investigation was still ongoing after the B1G handed down their slap on the wrist, didn't even recognize the difference. There's notable radio silence now. Usually I just hate them because they're them...now fuel is on the fire. We better trounce these cheaters in November.
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Michigan's Jim Harbaugh was threatened with suspension by NCAA last fall for lawyer's social media criticism
The NCAA told Tom Mars, Harbaugh's attorney, if he didn't stop criticizing the organization, Harbaugh could be suspended
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Michigan's Jim Harbaugh was threatened with suspension by NCAA last fall for lawyer's social media criticism
The NCAA told Tom Mars, Harbaugh's attorney, if he didn't stop criticizing the organization, Harbaugh could be suspended
The NCAA threatened to suspend former Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh last fall if his attorney did not halt his satirical social media comments of the association's ongoing investigation of the Wolverines football program.In a "letter of admonition" to attorney Thomas Mars obtained by CBS Sports, current NCAA Committee on Infractions chair Dave Roberts wrote in October 2023 that if Mars didn't halt his posts criticizing the NCAA's investigative process "the COI will consider appropriate penalties, including immediate suspension of your client."
Roberts cited NCAA bylaw 19.4.6-(i) which gives the COI authority to " … sanction parties and/or their representative(s) for behaviors that inhibit the committee's ability to effectively manage the docket, ensure a professional and civil decorum in all proceedings or otherwise efficiently solve infractions cases."
The letter ends with seemingly a final warning from Roberts that read, "There will not be any further admonitions …"
Mars did not respond to the NCAA and continued his critical posts but it seems Roberts took no further action.
The letter came during dual investigations of Michigan for NCAA recruiting violations during the COVID-19 dead period and sign stealing. In a Tuesday release, the NCAA said a negotiated resolution had been reached in the first case. "One former coach," – supposedly Harbaugh – "did not participate in the agreement, and that portion of the case will be considered separately by the Committee on Infractions …" the statement said.
Roberts' letter was dated Oct. 26, 2023, the week the sign-stealing scandal broke. That came during a bye week in Michigan's national championship season.
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I was hopeful, at first, that the punishment for cheating would be severe, but nothing will come close to what they deserve. Forfeiture of the last 3 seasons of wins and the death penalty with the program shutting down for a season (save 1 game) while the NCAA cleans house and a new AD works on hiring new coaches and support staff. 5 year post season ban, transfer portal and scholarship restrictions, and B1G/NCAA monitoring of practices and games to guarantee cheating has stopped.
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I had no grand illusions that a severe penalty akin to a death penalty was coming, though of course it could possibly come from the sign stealing and coverup. Not that it's fair, I just don't have the slightest of faith in the NCAA to do this right. I was thinking vacating all wins during the sign stealing and scholarship/transfer portal reductions may be the outcome, but I don't even know if they will go that far.
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