*2024 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

[BB73]

If the NCAA is extremely ticked at the level of cheating, the lies, the cover-ups, and the lack of cooperation and the lack of remorse with that entire program and University, AS THEY SHOULD BE, it’s time for them to take a step that hasn’t been used for a while but is totally justified and would send a real message to all of college football:

No, not the ‘death penalty’, that’s not realistic with the contracts and money involved.

But hit them with actual FORFEITS (as opposed to the weaker ‘vacating of wins’) for all of the games for which they are known to have cheated to win, which is almost all of 2021 and 2022, and the first half of 2023.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

It'll will definitely be interesting to see the psyche of the team against Arkansas State after getting brought back to earth and getting their teeth kicked in by Texas last week. This is probably a very fragile group and that 1 loss could easily send them into a complete tail spin. ArMirabai Peasekansas State is a mid level at best Sun Belt team though, i'm not gonna say they are gonna lose, cause they probably won't, but I could see scUM continuing to sputter and only winning a close like 28-20 type game. Hopefully USC manages not to piss down their legs next week (still not completely confident in it) and hands them another embarrassing home loss which really starts the ugly downfall.

We can only pray for a hilarious loss, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Michigan's offense is putrid enough (Fresno State's iron curtain defense held them to 269yds but gave up 200 more and 30pts to Sacramento St.) but the defense will bail them out.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I’m still confused..

Why would the NCAA negotiate?

That doesn’t make sense. How would TCUN have any leverage in this at all?

Like if TCUN goes to court wtf could they even do? There’s no risk in my eyes of the NCAA coming up empty so just tell TCUN what’s coming and tell them to stfu.

 

[NFBuck]

I’m still confused..

Why would the NCAA negotiate?

That doesn’t make sense. How would TCUN have any leverage in this at all?

Like if TCUN goes to court wtf could they even do? There’s no risk in my eyes of the NCAA coming up empty so just tell TCUN what’s coming and tell them to stfu.

It doesn't sound like they are negotiating. It sounds like they laid out a minimum framework for punishment, and right now tCun is trying to get them to settle on a lesser punishment. If they can't reach a settlement before their 90 days is up, it goes to the COI to hand down the punishment.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I’m still confused..

Why would the NCAA negotiate?

That doesn’t make sense. How would TCUN have any leverage in this at all?

Like if TCUN goes to court wtf could they even do? There’s no risk in my eyes of the NCAA coming up empty so just tell TCUN what’s coming and tell them to stfu.

They do have a large, albeit incredibly stupid, fan base. The joke off 'the NCAA is so mad at Alabama that SE Nobody St is going to get hammered' isn't entirely a joke. Big programs get preferential treatment sometimes.

 

[Thump]

Excellent post - GPA

I used to post a comparison of Ohio State's and scUM's rosters based on recruiting rankings and the Buckeyes would always have by far the better talent. For example, heading into the 2021 season, Ohio State had 21 of the top 25 players (84%); and 38 of the top 50 players (76%). In other words, Ohio State had an overwhelming talent advantage, at least on paper.

No.	Player..............................	Position	247 Composite
1	J.T. Tuimoloau	DL	0.9990
2	Jack Sawyer	DL	0.9982
3	Julian Fleming	WR	0.9979
4	Nicholas Petit-Frere	OL	0.9963
5	Paris Johnson, Jr.	OL	0.9953
6	Emeka Egbuka	WR	0.9946
7	Zach Harrison	DL	0.9933
8	Daxton Hill	DB	0.9927
9	Garrett Wilson	WR	0.9903
10	Donovan Jackson	OL	0.9902
11	Taron Vincent	DL	0.9884
12	TreVeyon Henderson	RB	0.9874
13	Harry Miller	OL	0.9868
13	J.J. McCarthy	QB	0.9868
15	Chris Hinton	DL	0.9867
16	Kyle McCord	QB	0.9860
17	Jaxon Smith-Njigba	WR	0.9856
18	Tyreke Smith	DL	0.9816
19	Jeremy Ruckert	TE	0.9810
20	Donovan Edwards	RB	0.9808
21	C.J. Stroud	QB	0.9781
22	Teradja Mitchell	LB	0.9771
23	Demario McCall	RB	0.9767
24	Jakailin Johnson	DB	0.9747
25	Mike Hall, Jr.	DL	0.9744
No.	Player..............................	Position	247 Composite
26	Gee Scott, Jr.	WR	0.9703
27	Jordan Hancock	DB	0.9681
28	Haskell Garrett	DL	0.9678
29	Cody Simon	LB	0.9663
30	Matthew Jones	OL	0.9652
31	Josh Proctor	DB	0.9640
32	Evan Pryor	RB	0.9630
33	Kamryn Babb	WR	0.9629
34	Reid Carrico	LB	0.9617
35	Giovanni El-Hadi	OL	0.9614
36	Junior Colson	LB	0.9598
37	Marvin Harrison, Jr.	WR	0.9584
38	Jayden Ballard	WR	0.9581
39	Tyler Friday	DL	0.9560
40	A.J. Henning	WR	0.9548
41	Mazi Smith	DL	0.9536
42	Luke Wypler	OL	0.9526
43	Trente Jones	OL	0.9512
44	Cade Stover	ATH	0.9507
45	Aidan Hutchinson	DL	0.9498
46	Ronnie Hickman	DB	0.9485
47	Chuck Filiaga	OL	0.9475
48	Braiden McGregor	DL	0.9472
49	Enokk Vimahi	OL	0.9445
50	Ben Christman	OL	0.9439

In 2020, scUM had a "meh" roster, finished with a record of 2-4, ducked Ohio State, and after the season lost some of their top talent to the transfer portal. In 2021, they begin to have an amazing turn around, winning their first seven games with a true freshman quarterback. At this point, my bullshit meter starts to go off.

Then scUM blows a 30-14 lead and loses to Michigan State, allowing Sparty tailback Kenneth Walker III to rush for 197 yards and 5 touchdowns in the process. Everything is suddenly right in the universe again.

scUM wins their next three games before the showdown with #2 Ohio State. scUM wins The Game 42-27, and "Jim Harbaugh got the win he wanted perhaps as desperately as any coach in sports." (ESPN postgame summary). Okay, we've won eight in a row, the Game was in Ann Arbor, it was cold and snowing, half the Buckeye roster was ill, shit happens, they were due for their once-a-decade win.... But my bullshit meter starts tingling again.

scUM beats the snot out of a mediocre Iowa squad to win the Big Ten title, but then gets absolutely smoked by Georgia in the playoffs. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

Then 2022 happens – scUM dismantles Ohio State in the Horseshoe, with several back-breaking plays at the most opportune moments. At this point I instinctively know that scUM is cheating, although I assumed it was garden variety cheating like PED's. But in retrospect, it sure does seem like scUM knew exactly what plays Ohio State was going to run, both on offense and defense. My instinctive knowledge is confirmed by the fact that scUM lost to an unworthy TCU team in the playoffs, while Ohio State had a narrow loss to juggernaut Georgia (and but for some questionable officiating, timid play calling, and plain dumb luck would have been a win).

In 2023 it was actually revealed that scUM was in fact cheating, and that their cheating was not off-the-field (recruiting violations, extra practice, PED's) but on-the-field (sign stealing). Everything that scUM accomplished* in 2021, 2022, and 2023 is tainted and should be erased from the books. That, unfortunately, is the only remedy, because there is no way to turn back the clock and play those games (and Games) on an even playing field. Ohio State will never be Big Ten champions for 2021-23 .... CJ Stroud will never win the 2022 Heisman Trophy .... and neither Alabama nor Washington will ever be crowned national champion for 2023. scUM didn't just cheat their own way to undeserved success, they cheated others into undeserved failure. And for that, they can rot in Hell.

More info. would be appreciated.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Can we just hurry up and play these assholes please?!?
FUCK Michigan!!!

 

[Bestbuck36]

Cheated half the season, before being caught.... THEN obfuscated, misdirected, denied knowledge, acted indignant, threatened lawsuits, THEN accepted "punishment" (despite it being a nothingburger- according to them), THEN proceeded to continue to play well beyond recent historical norms for the program & coach, THEN thumping their chests despite no indication of contrition and despite no proof that their scheme ever was snuffed out.

Even if *ichigan gets to keep it's "championship", the whole world knows they are dirty cheaters and also that they suck. Fuck em.

Any notion that they will/should keep their accomplishments* from 2023 is absurd. For one, the cheating scheme was fully functional through, minimally, October when this all became public. Nobody in their right mind would believe they stopped just because Porn name Marine was jettisoned from the program. They were scouting in advance, so who thinks they didn't utilize that info after Stalions was gone? Not a single person without skin in the game. Even if they did stop (they didn't), the first half of their season was tainted. You cannot allow them to keep any championships* they "won." Look at the state of that program before they implemented the cheating...they were a fucking MESS. Fuck them...take everything they accomplished* from 2021-2023. It's all fugazi.

*bullshit

How do we know that they didn't cheat in the 2nd half of 2023? Just because Stalions got fired doesn't mean that the coaches didn't still have his "cheat sheets" for the teams that they played, etc. The opposing team's signals were stolen way before scUM actually played a game with them.

When you look back on those three years, one thing that really stands out is how so many of us just could not explain the success they were having. BP has done an extraordinary job of pegging the goings on within their programs for many, many years. We had them PAINTED. For years. Then they started winning at a level previously unseen within their old, stale, underachieving program. Everything suddenly started coming up roses. Most unexplainable of it all was that it wasn't a slow build; they were an absolute TIRE FIRE in 2020. Their program and the Harbrau-era was on the precipice of total collapse. They didn't make any program shifting changes. They didn't suddenly start recruiting better. They didn't hire new coaches with reputations of totally flipping the fortunes of programs they previously led. Nothing of significance changed. They just suddenly looked like a completely different program and none of us could explain it until last October. Suddenly it all made sense.

Fuck these lowlife scUM rat bastards. They robbed us not only of 3 years of delicious schadenfreude; they robbed us of trophies, awards, and wins. ROBBED is the key word, not a speck of it was earned. I want my pound of flesh.

I was at the 2022 game, and I remember just being at a total loss for what I was seeing. We were within striking distance into the 4th, but no matter what we did, they had an absolute answer. On offense. On defense. Nothing made sense. At the time, I was firmly in the "Ryan Day choked" camp... but after these revelations, I had a completely different take.

Watching that game through this new lens tells a new story. Donovan Edwards big runs? I get it now. Our offense spinning its wheels? I get it. Them looking like the 85 Bears? Makes sense... Fast forward to the 2022 Playoffs and we almost take out a generationally good Georgia team, while Michigan shits the bed against TCU... I get that too. It is simple math.

I owed Ryan Day an apology...

Everything that happened after 2020 is simple math.

Harbaugh struggled against any "good" teams for fucking 6 years then all of a sudden starts out smarting everyone and becomes a master of in game adjustments and x's & o's? Yea fucking right.

How they've started this year is just proving it anymore. scUM in 2024 looks exactly how you'd expect a team that knew exactly what was coming at them for multiple years and then suddenly lost their book of cheats to look. They are completely lost and have no cohesion as a unit, not to mention all of the boneheaded mistakes they are suddenly making, it's a bitch to actually have to make reads for yourself instead of already knowing what's happening beforehand. I'm gonna guess a good chunk of these guys put in very little actual gameplay recognition type work over the last couple of years because they didn't have to when they were getting exactly what opponents were going to do told to them. Donovan Edwards being the most glaring individual example. The LBs and Safeties especially as units look like a bunch of guys running around like they have no clue what they are doing. Then you have the OL suddenly looking completely awful when that had been the strength of their offense the last 3 years. Go figure it's a lot easier to block the defense when you know exactly what they are coming at you with.

The algorithm is the smoking gun. Gather that information and nail the coffin lid down on them.
It wouldn't matter who was using the algorithm at the end of the year since they would have had 3 years to learn and practice it. Stallions was irrelevant into the 3rd year.
They built an entire cheating system to win a championship they could not otherwise earn.

Fuck. Them!

 

[buckeyemania11]

It doesn't sound like they are negotiating. It sounds like they laid out a minimum framework for punishment, and right now tCun is trying to get them to settle on a lesser punishment. If they can't reach a settlement before their 90 days is up, it goes to the COI to hand down the punishment.

Im sure that negotiation room is hilarious because I have zero doubt the “Michigan Men” in there are acting like they are the ones running things and the ones in position to make demands, just like their sunshine pumpers are making it out to be.

 

[BuckyKatt]

The idea of only vacating 2021 & 2022 but leaving the 2023 season intact is patently ridiculous.

That's like being caught card counting in Vegas and the casino security escorting you away and saying, "I'm afraid you'll have to leave sir......but you can keep all the money you won."

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[CMic]

Fortunately, it appears the NCAA is not in a mood for negotiation on titles. The NCAA can’t actually take the titles away, but they can stop recognizing the titles. I’m sure the B1G will be happy to follow the NCAA and strip the three titles.

 

[Thump]

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

If my life ever depends on gouging my ear drums with knitting needles, I’ll be sure to give that a listen to make me want to

 

[sparcboxbuck]

It would be absolutely crushing to not be in on what was actually happening and think you're just that good of a player only to have your whole world fuckin rocked when you now run into the teeth of the defense every damn down.

For a second I thought you were tugging at my heartstrings… then I realized you just knocked my funny bone.

 

[buckeyemania11]

I don’t see how they can take 21 & 22 but let them keep 23. They have to know how much that would piss everyone that’s not scUM off. Might as well vacate nothing at that point. Hell doing that could be a self death blow to the NCAA, cave to that and really nobody is ever going to respect or take them seriously ever again.