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*2024 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

Definitely the first game ball ever given to someone who the coaches and players had "absolutely no clue who they even are!"
and there were plenty of stories about GAs that urban didn't know (like endless other coaches), because they were replaceable interns doing the worst imaginable hours for next to nothing.

they weren't whispering in Chris Ash's ear for the perfect time to call the zone blitz by Steve Miller.
 
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heres another good nugget....

We all know that TCUN started having great success in 2021, do you think that's when the sign stealing started or does it go further back?
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/vote...TT857twLWW-GEckwc9Q0sSiYY3p3_GsIHU6sx9do/nojs
Brohio 16 minutes ago
I think that's just when it got good. Look, make no mistake, Connor is very good at what he does. That goes for illegal and legal tactics. I suspect there was a much milder and probably above-board version of this sign stealing thing occurring when Sean Magee was the Director of Player Personnel at Michigan prior to Stalions. He was next to Harbaugh on Gameday with a binder, speaking directly to Jim and influencing his playcalls. He is also the only Director of Player Personnel that I've ever been able to produce a photo of wearing comms on game day. To be clear, I'm not accusing Sean of doing anything illegal, I'm just saying I suspect his real job had very little to do with directing player personnel. Connor also worked with him at Navy. I think that when Connor took these duties over was when the illegal stuff started but thats just my theory. Not a fact by any means
 
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5 takeaways from Michigan's Connor Stalions sign-stealing Netflix documentary

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Tuesday, August 27, is the day the Netflix documentary focused on the Michigan sign-stealing saga orchestrated by former staffer, Connor Stalions, is available for the masses to watch. Certainly, there will be two metro areas where the streaming of “Untold: Sign Stealer” will go ballistic. You can bank on the Detroit market and the Columbus market gobbling this thing up much like the two fanbases have gobbled each other up in making sense of what it all means.

We had our first viewing of the documentary early on Tuesday morning and are here to provide some commentary on what we feel was pretty unbiased storytelling. It’s hard to take the fandom out of something like this when trying to stay in the middle and decipher what it all means. Still, yes, we’ll try to do our best to take off the scarlet and gray colored glasses to pull out some of the more interesting themes that are portrayed in what will surely be a Netflix hit sooner rather than later, especially for college football fans, and most definitely for Ohio State and Michigan fanatics.

Here are five things from the much-anticipated release of Netflix’s “Untold: Sign Stealer,” for your reading pleasure. Happy consumption. And while you are at it, get a take from Isaiah Hole, publisher of our fellow College Wire site, Wolverines Wire, who was featured in the documentary.

1. Connor Stalions was obsessed​

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What we took away
Even the most ardent Michigan apologist has to walk away from this documentary understanding that Stailions was obsessed with making a difference for the Wolverine program. His fanatic ways were emboldened as a child of die-hard Michigan parents. He dressed up as a Michigan head coach for Halloween, went into the military because some of the greatest coaches of all time had military backgrounds, and even kept an extensive database of recruiting hotbeds and signs that he could draw from. He had a deep “manifesto” that he kept all in the end game of becoming a coach for Michigan one day.

Stalions life was driven almost solely by Michigan football and eventually finding his way on the staff, and even someday parlaying his passionate fandom into becoming the head coach in Ann Arbor. History has shown that men obsessed with things will do whatever it takes to reach an end goal. We aren’t saying that’s what happened here, we’ll let others be the judge of that, but it wouldn’t be the last time a line was crossed to realize the biggest of dreams.

Several times, Stalions is quoted in the film as saying “As long as Michigan wins.” Take that as you will.

2. Sign-stealing is indeed important​

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What we took away

One of the prevailing arguments used by defenders of the sign-stealing allegations against Stalions and Michigan is that sign-stealing isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things. Clearly, though, that’s not what more than a few college programs believe. According to at least part of the documentary, there are a lot of schools using whatever they can to steal and decipher opposing programs’ signs as close to the line — and probably in some cases beyond it — as possible.

If sign-stealing isn’t important in the outcome of games, why go through so much trouble? Why the underground network of tape swapping and sharing of ideas? Knowing an opponent’s play calls has an advantage or there wouldn’t be so much effort in cloaking the signs and also in trying to break the code. Yes, teams still have to execute, but there has apparently been a lot of effort put into the cat-and-mouse game of getting into the head of an opponent.

Side note: It’ll be interesting to see how the helmet communications going into play this season level the playing field a bit.

3. Jim Harbaugh gave Stalions the game ball for the win over Iowa in 2022​

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4. So, about Stalions being on the sidelines at Central Michigan​

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5. There is still an Ohio State connection to the investigation being thrown out​

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What we took away

Most of the documentary focused unbiasedly on the story with storytelling of who Stalions was as a person and what transpired through the lenses of Michigan, but the notion that Ohio State was the whistle-blower in this entire thing was floated out there again, and that the information may have been obtained illegally.

The only thing that matters here is how the information was obtained. The information is what it is whether incriminating or not and who provided it doesn’t really matter. However, Stalions’ lawyer believes some of the evidence was hacked from his computer illegally because he did not share his spreadsheets and databases with anyone. There is reportedly a third-party investigative firm that tipped the NCAA on the sign-stealing methods and the documentary paints the theory that Ryan Day and Ohio State are behind it all.

There is no proof provided that there are computer crimes involved in obtaining Stalions’ materials other than he didn’t share it with anyone, so it seems flimsy at best, but we’ll have to see if that theory gets more legs to it than what was drummed up a few months ago.

Day, for his part, has denied any involvement from him or his staff.

Just sayin': I don't subscribe to Netflix so I won't be seeing the documentary. I guess this article is a good summation of the show though.
 
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5 takeaways from Michigan's Connor Stalions sign-stealing Netflix documentary

USATSI_21788922.jpg


Tuesday, August 27, is the day the Netflix documentary focused on the Michigan sign-stealing saga orchestrated by former staffer, Connor Stalions, is available for the masses to watch. Certainly, there will be two metro areas where the streaming of “Untold: Sign Stealer” will go ballistic. You can bank on the Detroit market and the Columbus market gobbling this thing up much like the two fanbases have gobbled each other up in making sense of what it all means.

We had our first viewing of the documentary early on Tuesday morning and are here to provide some commentary on what we feel was pretty unbiased storytelling. It’s hard to take the fandom out of something like this when trying to stay in the middle and decipher what it all means. Still, yes, we’ll try to do our best to take off the scarlet and gray colored glasses to pull out some of the more interesting themes that are portrayed in what will surely be a Netflix hit sooner rather than later, especially for college football fans, and most definitely for Ohio State and Michigan fanatics.

Here are five things from the much-anticipated release of Netflix’s “Untold: Sign Stealer,” for your reading pleasure. Happy consumption. And while you are at it, get a take from Isaiah Hole, publisher of our fellow College Wire site, Wolverines Wire, who was featured in the documentary.

1. Connor Stalions was obsessed​

USATSI_21863822.jpg


What we took away
Even the most ardent Michigan apologist has to walk away from this documentary understanding that Stailions was obsessed with making a difference for the Wolverine program. His fanatic ways were emboldened as a child of die-hard Michigan parents. He dressed up as a Michigan head coach for Halloween, went into the military because some of the greatest coaches of all time had military backgrounds, and even kept an extensive database of recruiting hotbeds and signs that he could draw from. He had a deep “manifesto” that he kept all in the end game of becoming a coach for Michigan one day.

Stalions life was driven almost solely by Michigan football and eventually finding his way on the staff, and even someday parlaying his passionate fandom into becoming the head coach in Ann Arbor. History has shown that men obsessed with things will do whatever it takes to reach an end goal. We aren’t saying that’s what happened here, we’ll let others be the judge of that, but it wouldn’t be the last time a line was crossed to realize the biggest of dreams.

Several times, Stalions is quoted in the film as saying “As long as Michigan wins.” Take that as you will.

2. Sign-stealing is indeed important​

USATSI_17467034-2.jpg


What we took away

One of the prevailing arguments used by defenders of the sign-stealing allegations against Stalions and Michigan is that sign-stealing isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things. Clearly, though, that’s not what more than a few college programs believe. According to at least part of the documentary, there are a lot of schools using whatever they can to steal and decipher opposing programs’ signs as close to the line — and probably in some cases beyond it — as possible.

If sign-stealing isn’t important in the outcome of games, why go through so much trouble? Why the underground network of tape swapping and sharing of ideas? Knowing an opponent’s play calls has an advantage or there wouldn’t be so much effort in cloaking the signs and also in trying to break the code. Yes, teams still have to execute, but there has apparently been a lot of effort put into the cat-and-mouse game of getting into the head of an opponent.

Side note: It’ll be interesting to see how the helmet communications going into play this season level the playing field a bit.

3. Jim Harbaugh gave Stalions the game ball for the win over Iowa in 2022​

.
.
continued
.
.

4. So, about Stalions being on the sidelines at Central Michigan​

.
.
continued
.
.

5. There is still an Ohio State connection to the investigation being thrown out​

Ryan-Day-vs.-Michigan-2023.jpg


What we took away

Most of the documentary focused unbiasedly on the story with storytelling of who Stalions was as a person and what transpired through the lenses of Michigan, but the notion that Ohio State was the whistle-blower in this entire thing was floated out there again, and that the information may have been obtained illegally.

The only thing that matters here is how the information was obtained. The information is what it is whether incriminating or not and who provided it doesn’t really matter. However, Stalions’ lawyer believes some of the evidence was hacked from his computer illegally because he did not share his spreadsheets and databases with anyone. There is reportedly a third-party investigative firm that tipped the NCAA on the sign-stealing methods and the documentary paints the theory that Ryan Day and Ohio State are behind it all.

There is no proof provided that there are computer crimes involved in obtaining Stalions’ materials other than he didn’t share it with anyone, so it seems flimsy at best, but we’ll have to see if that theory gets more legs to it than what was drummed up a few months ago.

Day, for his part, has denied any involvement from him or his staff.

Just sayin': I don't subscribe to Netflix so i won't be seeing the documentary. I guess this article is a good summation of the show though.

I have no doubt that Stallions in his own mind thought this documentary was going to paint him in positive light and as a victim. It does the exact opposite though for anyone outside of the expected idiots, it shows how delusional and what a crazy weirdo he actually is and also proves him as a complete liar.

These "Ohio State hacked me!" claims are the last ditch efforts of a guilty person
 
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This is exactly who Valenti refers to when he talks about "useful idiots" in the scUM media.

From 11W, this point is exactly true. If things were looking good for Michigan they'd already had leaked it to the "useful idiots"

New this thread:

Nothing has changed, the conversation has simply been elevated... some of that happening organically, some by design.

There will be a bit of a catch-up period for folks who haven't been following along like we have. Be patient.

There is a copy floating around of the as-transmitted NOA. I haven't seen it. Bits will likely start to leak. Keep this in mind - anything in there that looks good for UM would have already been passed to Balas et al. Instead, radio silence.

No change in the framework of punishments that the enforcement staff finds appropriate, and no change in what I expect.

Reality setting in up north. Nature is healing.
 
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I like how you suggest to the DFBIA that the head coach...who was getting info directly from Stallions (as seen on video)....and the 2 coordinators who also took direct advice from Stallions (also on video)....might have possibly known what was happening the whole time and they shout it down immediately. PROVE IT! WHERE'S THE PROOF?!

But when psycho boy says RYAN DAY hacked his computer.....something that is even in doubt of even happening......they all just run with it as fact. Tell me you can't objectively look at things without telling me you can't objectively look at things.
 
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Not shockingly the DFBIA (You know the "Michigan Men" who have claimed forever to only operate with the strongest of integrity) are defending Stallions for lying.


The claims that there are "no benefit" from cooperating and being truthful with the NCAA are hilarious, considering there is plenty of actual past case evidence that lying will certainly get you in more trouble than if you would just told the truth
 
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I think more needs said about the ttun - Ravens connection. I like this exchange on 11W forums with poster Brohio who is in the docu

BuckeyeChief Mod 2 hours ago
What was the most surprising thing you discovered?
What is the Ravens involvement?
Brohio 2 hours ago

That was up there. The TV lawyers got scared and pulled it. But it was definitely going to be addressed in the documentary. As I've said before, it's not illegal at all on either side, but it is very hard to reconcile that no Michigan coaches knew what Connor was doing and miraculously an NFL team full of Michigan connections brought him on in a consulting capacity at some point.

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