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2020 Team Discussion Thread

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RB07OSU said:
A season starting right at the beginning of January might be feasible if it did actually end in March. Would probably allow enough time to recover. Never thought about it, but curious what happens if other conferences play in the fall and we're done by March? Do they postpone playoffs to see what happens with the B1G season? My inclination would be a hell no and I frankly don't see any season until fall of 2021, but interesting to think about since I have nothing else Buckeye football to consider this fall. As it draws nearer to September, I've accepted there won't be a fall season but still have that pit in my stomach when I think about it.
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The NBA is pushing the start of their next season by about 6 weeks to Dec 1st. Playoff championship game this year is Sept 30.
The Stanley cup is going to finish up around the same time and is also looking at a Dec 1 start to the next season, and that is a comparable level of impact to football.
So we'll get an idea on what a 2-3 month recovery looks like for most teams.
So the college games ending in March gives them 4-5 months of recovery & training, as opposed to the 7-8 months. I see that as feasible.
The players that have a solid draft slot could opt out, for us that's just Wade. Maybe a few offensive guys but even Fields has a lot of question marks with only 1 season starting that will keep him out of the top 10, when you see other QBs getting that additional season of experience.

So if they need to end in March, you can do a 10 game conference schedule with no bye weeks, and then a bye before the championship game to squeeze it in. Very tough. In order to shorten the season I bet they do a 6 game round robin on each division with a bye, and then a championship game at the end of February. The whole season will take 9 weeks. Then just maybe you could get together with the Pac12 MAC and MW and they might be able to play a few exhibition games in March (if there's a vaccine available). It all depends on how things go with the other conferences. If it runs smoothly with the other conferences, then I'd bet they give it a go. I'm going to stay positive, because by the time December comes around they are going to have a whole bunch of new data points.
 
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RB07OSU said:
A season starting right at the beginning of January might be feasible if it did actually end in March. Would probably allow enough time to recover. Never thought about it, but curious what happens if other conferences play in the fall and we're done by March? Do they postpone playoffs to see what happens with the B1G season? My inclination would be a hell no and I frankly don't see any season until fall of 2021, but interesting to think about since I have nothing else Buckeye football to consider this fall. As it draws nearer to September, I've accepted there won't be a fall season but still have that pit in my stomach when I think about it.
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See I have to believe even moron Warren realizes they have to play in January to recoup what they've lost this fall from revenue. Plus the whole world would be watching also. He cant be that stupid right?

Well... okay maybe 2021 fall it is then lol
 
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billmac91 said:
Ohio State doesn’t have nearly the weight you think it does. Athletic revenue is peanuts compared to the Academic grant $$$ the university generates by being aligned with other Big 10 schools and as part of the AAU.

They wouldn’t like to see us leave, but they wouldn’t beg us to stay. The conference is academics first.....

That said, the Presidents and conference continue to be cowardly in their approach and response to fall football IMO.
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Sure ... other conferences offer very similar situations though.

For example the ACC has Duke/UNC/Miami/ND/Wake which probably rivals here really.

Personally we don't need the big ten we would be huge in any conference and grant money would chug right along too. We dont have to be in the big ten for everything to continue on as it always has.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
The NBA is pushing the start of their next season by about 6 weeks to Dec 1st. Playoff championship game this year is Sept 30.
The Stanley cup is going to finish up around the same time and is also looking at a Dec 1 start to the next season, and that is a comparable level of impact to football.
So we'll get an idea on what a 2-3 month recovery looks like for most teams.
So the college games ending in March gives them 4-5 months of recovery & training, as opposed to the 7-8 months. I see that as feasible.
The players that have a solid draft slot could opt out, for us that's just Wade. Maybe a few offensive guys but even Fields has a lot of question marks with only 1 season starting that will keep him out of the top 10, when you see other QBs getting that additional season of experience.

So if they need to end in March, you can do a 10 game conference schedule with no bye weeks, and then a bye before the championship game to squeeze it in. Very tough. In order to shorten the season I bet they do a 6 game round robin on each division with a bye, and then a championship game at the end of February. The whole season will take 9 weeks. Then just maybe you could get together with the Pac12 MAC and MW and they might be able to play a few exhibition games in March (if there's a vaccine available). It all depends on how things go with the other conferences. If it runs smoothly with the other conferences, then I'd bet they give it a go. I'm going to stay positive, because by the time December comes around they are going to have a whole bunch of new data points.
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I think it's feasible but would be limited as you suggest, even a 10 game season would be tough to pull off on that time line. And there's gotta be a 4-5 month minimum for college athletes to recover and play a full season in the same year.

I'm more dubious on who would go pro with a winter season though. I could easily see Fields, Wyatt Davis, Myers and Olave opting out to go pro (in the order of most to last likely to leave) in addition to Wade. I think all of them still could improve draft stock by playing, but that would have to be balanced against an injury that close to the Draft.

I'm trying to be positive as well now that we obviously aren't having a fall season. However, even with a winter season, it's going to be a shell of a season compared to what could have been. But I'd sure as hell be happy to watch, especially to see guys like Fields, Wade, etc. take the field one last time.
 
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bukIpower said:
Sure ... other conferences offer very similar situations though.

For example the ACC has Duke/UNC/Miami/ND/Wake which probably rivals here really.

Personally we don't need the big ten we would be huge in any conference and grant money would chug right along too. We dont have to be in the big ten for everything to continue on as it always has.
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They don’t though. 12 of 14 Big 10 schools are in AAU which is mind blowing. No conference is close to this.
 
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billmac91 said:
This is interesting:

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Get a clue Luger, it's a civil lawsuit and almost everything is discoverable unless he gets the suit dismissed without any discovery. I would love to see that defense to a motion to compel that evidence. Haven't really even looked at ability of the conference to be sued, potential lack of standing, etc., so that might be the case. But I hope it gets through discovery because it seems pretty damning how much the B1G's attorney is already crying about disclosing board documents. "Harm"? Give me a fucking break, it will only harm the Directors' reputations and job security. If I wasn't already working 70 hours a week on paying work trying to pay off student loans I'd jump in on this pro se.
 
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bukIpower said:
I just cannot believe Ohio State hasn't pushed their weight around. Imagine if OSU said "either play or we will schedule games". What's Kevin going to do say he will withhold our TV money?

Shit if Warren said that then it's simple "okay cool then we'll apply to be in the ACC and who knows who else leaves like Nebraska back to the Big 12".

They have zero leverage and we are sitting back and accepting it.

I feel bad for the players and their parents. They are trying so hard and are getting absolutely no help from Gene or our President.

Since when is a loss of $130 million dollars okay too? talent in

Gene hasn't done nearly enough and I swear if we put pressure on them all the other big ten schools who want to play will push hard too. I don't know why there is so much silence on this.
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A) I don’t know the connections, but I’m guessing there’s a price to leave and I’m guessing that the conference, not it’s individual schools, own the BTN revenue.

B) Not sure Clemson, Miami, and FSU want Ohio State in the ACC. Sure would like to see Notre Dame every third year. Sure would miss games with Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin. Would Texas and Oklahoma want Ohio State poaching MORE talent in their hunting grounds? Academically, OSU would be #2 in the Big 12, and the loss of the consortium would piss off the faculty and Battell. Travel costs for non-revenue sports would explode. Yeah, every other year in Austin and Norman would be cool, but Waco, Stillwater, Lawrence, Manhattan, and Lubbock?

C) Leverage? The conference owns BTN and the Consortium. They also own the history. And isn’t one of the things that pisses most of us off about Michigan (and Texas, and Notre Dame) is the way they Have historically “thrown their weight around?”

D) I feel bad for the players. Hell, I feel bad for me and all the BKBs who post here. But I’d feel worse if a player from any of the teams, but especially the Buckeyes, were to suffer chronic disease or death just to keep me happy. The game is brutal enough without adding that threat.

E) How do we know what Gene, or Warren, or DeWine, has/have done to try and make the season possible? I can’t for the life of me believe they didn’t seek the best advice they could find in all the aspects; athletic, academic, legal, and financial, of the problem before making their decision. What I do know is that too many of the citizens of Ohio blew off whatever chance we had to suppress COVID by refusing to follow scientific evidence and guidance.
 
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bukIpower said:
Sure ... other conferences offer very similar situations though.

For example the ACC has Duke/UNC/Miami/ND/Wake which probably rivals here really.

Personally we don't need the big ten we would be huge in any conference and grant money would chug right along too. We dont have to be in the big ten for everything to continue on as it always has.
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Have to disagree. Google what OSU makes in football and basketball and the compare it with what the school brings in in research revenue. As I recall the comparison is around 7 to 1. While the ACC might be compatible, it’s centered in one fifty mile radius taking In Chapel Hill, Raleigh, and Greensboro, folks who might not play nice with OSU and Battell.
 
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cincibuck said:
D) I feel bad for the players. Hell, I feel bad for me and all the BKBs who post here. But I’d feel worse if a player from any of the teams, but especially the Buckeyes, were to suffer chronic disease or death just to keep me happy. The game is brutal enough without adding that threat.
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Would it make you feel worse than when they develop CTE? Become paralyzed from making a tackle? There are many risks in football and COVID is not at the top when considering the effects it has on their age group. Not only that but there's a strong likelihood that there at a greater risk of catching it outside of a football bubble. Bottom line is they want to play and know the consequences. It should be up to them but we all know there are other motives for the BIG to shut down the season.
 
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LOL....just when you think the Big 10 couldn’t be more of a clusterfuck, they have the wonderful idea of starting season on Thanksgiving weekend.

Amazing. I wonder who we will be playing the weekend of the National Championship game? Maybe Indiana or Michigan State?
 
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billmac91 said:
LOL....just when you think the Big 10 couldn’t be more of a clusterfuck, they have the wonderful idea of starting season on Thanksgiving weekend.

Amazing. I wonder who we will be playing the weekend of the National Championship game? Maybe Indiana or Michigan State?
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That’s just one date on discussion. It wouldn’t shocked me if it moves up sooner than that.
 
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