2020 Team Discussion Thread

[bukIpower]

My thoughts are we will find out how the difference between JK Dobbins and his replacement affects the offense.

IMO, the 2019 offense was so difficult to defend because of the balance. Running, Passing, QB run game were all equally lethal and that's just impossible for any defense to contain.

What happens if/when a good defense can cheat a little more against pass and QB run because there isn't a game breaking threat at RB? Does that take the ceiling down from 50 yards and 45+ points? Is it more like 2018 and they are content to be pass happy? Does Fields get hurt trying to compensate for the reduced threat in the RB run game? Does Fields become Can Newton Jr and just take over/dominate? Probably lots of other scenario's I'm not thinking of right now.

We just won't know until we see it play out but I am leery of this "best offense ever" narrative based solely on talent at WR with a huge question mark at RB.

For sure and where I stand was without JF Dobbins was a 4.5 ypc rusher. With a dual threat QB he was a 7 and a 6.5 ypc rusher. Now there definitely will be a fall off but IMO the QB run threat is what gives our backs the room to operate.

Plus the threat of all those weapons out wide surely will prevent teams from cheating too. It'll be interesting for sure but I personally have confidence that our backs can do well because of how dangerous the other pieces are.

For sure though Teague has got to do better than he did down the stretch or Crowley will be in there pretty quick. Also interesting is that crowley had insane numbers when he did get to play. Sure the competition probably wasn't great but he did very well when given the shot.

Interestingly enough Crowley's numbers were very zeke 2013 like. Crowley averaged 9.5ypc and Zeke went for 8.7 on roughly the same rushes. Not saying he'll be Zeke but I think his YPC shows he's very effective when given the opportunity.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Only thing that concerns me about Teague is that he's a good complimentary back. Not sure he's a feature back.

Kind of like a top shelf closer being different than a top shelf starter in baseball.

MT is a nightmare as the change of pace/late game sledgehammer. Problem with using the sledgehammer as your feature back is it takes 25+ carries to start getting the desired result on the defense.

I just think we're going to need a guy to show that he can make his man miss instead of causing pain but being tackled 4-5 yards down field.

Trust the coaches I guess. They seem content with the talent in the RB room. I hope they are right. I have great faith in Day to make the most of what he has, that is for sure.

 

[bukIpower]

Only thing that concerns me about Teague is that he's a good complimentary back. Not sure he's a feature back.

Kind of like a top shelf closer being different than a top shelf starter in baseball.

MT is a nightmare as the change of pace/late game sledgehammer. Problem with using the sledgehammer as your feature back is it takes 25+ carries to start getting the desired result on the defense.

I just think we're going to need a guy to show that he can make his man miss instead of causing pain but being tackled 4-5 yards down field.

Trust the coaches I guess. They seem content with the talent in the RB room. I hope they are right. I have great faith in Day to make the most of what he has, that is for sure.

Honestly I feel the same way and that's why unless Teague improves his ability to move laterally and make people miss he's probably going to lose the job to Crowley.

Teague has got to improve on the zone read type of plays where he's stretching the LOS and once he gets a crease going North South. The two big runs Dobbins had vs Clemson I dont think Teague can make those as things stand. Teague just strikes me as being too stiff.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Honestly I feel the same way and that's why unless Teague improves his ability to move laterally and make people miss he's probably going to lose the job to Crowley.

Teague has got to improve on the zone read type of plays where he's stretching the LOS and once he gets a crease going North South. The two big runs Dobbins had vs Clemson I dont think Teague can make those as things stand. Teague just strikes me as being too stiff.

Nailed it . No wiggle. I am not sure Day just wants a relentless running game. He likes 2 min drives not 7 min.

 

[HotMic]

I’m bored. What’s your projected depth chart?

QB: Fields, Stroud
RB: Teague, Crowley
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba
WR: Wilson, Williams
HB: Gill, McCall
TE: Farrell, Ruckert
LT: Munford, Johnson
LG: Miller, Vimahi
C: Myers, Wypler
RG: Davis, Jones
RT: NPF, Jones

DE: Smith, Friday
DT: Togiai, Vincent
DT: Garrett, Jackson
DE: Cooper, Harrison
OLB: Werner, Hilliard
MLB: Borland, Mitchell
OLB: Browning, Pope
CB: Wade, Watts
CB: Brown, Banks
CB: Riep, Williamson
S: Proctor, Hooker

 

[bukIpower]

I’m bored. What’s your projected depth chart?

QB: Fields, Stroud
RB: Teague, Crowley
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba
WR: Wilson, Williams
HB: Gill, McCall
TE: Farrell, Ruckert
LT: Munford, Johnson
LG: Miller, Vimahi
C: Myers, Wypler
RG: Davis, Jones
RT: NPF, Jones

DE: Smith, Friday
DT: Togiai, Vincent
DT: Garrett, Jackson
DE: Cooper, Harrison
OLB: Werner, Hilliard
MLB: Borland, Mitchell
OLB: Browning, Pope
CB: Wade, Watts
CB: Brown, Banks
CB: Riep, Williamson
S: Proctor, Hooker

Pretty good but I don't think Gill beats out Fleming or Scott IMO. I also think Vincent starts too at 3 tech but otherwise I like your list.

 

[pnuts34]

Pretty good but I don't think Gill beats out Fleming or Scott IMO. I also think Vincent starts too at 3 tech but otherwise I like your list.

Fleming and Scott aren’t HBs, so I could see Gill beating them both out. As Gill can not only be a slot, but also be utilized in the backfield if need be.
i also could see Saunders being the WR rotation at HB.
DL really doesn’t matter imo, because we’ll have such a rotation

 

[MGMT]

I think with Coombs the light comes on for Tyreke Johnson and he gets serious burn. With who’s come through the door in this program in the secondary I think we’ve forgotten how good of a prospect he was.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I think this may be my favorite overall Bucks coaching staff. Last year was obviously great, but I think moving Dennis up and bringing Coombs back is a slight upgrade. The age/experience balance and recruiting/development chops of this group are insane.

 

[jebussmurf]

Honestly I feel the same way and that's why unless Teague improves his ability to move laterally and make people miss he's probably going to lose the job to Crowley.

Teague has got to improve on the zone read type of plays where he's stretching the LOS and once he gets a crease going North South. The two big runs Dobbins had vs Clemson I dont think Teague can make those as things stand. Teague just strikes me as being too stiff.

On the other hand, Coach Day won't be asking Teague to make those kinds of runs if he's not good at them. I'd expect more power, counter, and inside zone with Teague as our starting RB next year. With our presumed strength on the inside of the OL, running power and going play-action off of it will work.

 

[Taosman]

Coombs bringing the juice will just make the defense even more fired up! We may need to lean on them at the start next year. I think Crowley pushes for playing time. Maybe Steele makes a move.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Maybe Steele makes a move.

This.

 

[billmac91]

I think Teague left a little sour taste in the mouth, but also think he was put in a really difficult spot. It was clear in his touches against Clemson, he wasn't actually supposed to get touches. What was Fields first QB keep in the game? When Teague got subbed in.....and Fields kept multiple times with Teague in. I don't think Fields kept once with Dobbins in game on zone read.

I also don't thin Teague had entire playbook open to him, so you're neutering a substantial part of the designed playcalls when Teague is in versus JK. It was just an awful time for JK to get injured.

I think people will be pleasantly surprised once Teague gets starter touches. He's more Carlos Hyde than JK Dobbins, but that's not bad. And Teague actually has more breakaway speed than Dobbins although, he certainly won't make a defender miss in a phone booth like JK.

But with a healthy Fields, good luck cheating on the QB keep, and exposing the inside run game, where Teague gets a head of steam. I think he's going to bust a lot more explosive runs than anyone expects. And obviously, it helps when Day is designing an offense, with Teague's strengths at the forefront of his mind instead of a guy like Dobbins. I'm not too concerned to be honest. I said it in a different thread, and was proved wrong by JK's game against Clemson, but there was a point in this season I actually wished Teague was getting a lion's share of the carries because of his ability to fall forward (like Hyde used too). I think we will be just fine in the RB department.....

 

[OHSportsFan]

I think Teague left a little sour taste in the mouth, but also think he was put in a really difficult spot. It was clear in his touches against Clemson, he wasn't actually supposed to get touches. What was Fields first QB keep in the game? When Teague got subbed in.....and Fields kept multiple times with Teague in. I don't think Fields kept once with Dobbins in game on zone read.

I also don't thin Teague had entire playbook open to him, so you're neutering a substantial part of the designed playcalls when Teague is in versus JK. It was just an awful time for JK to get injured.

I think people will be pleasantly surprised once Teague gets starter touches. He's more Carlos Hyde than JK Dobbins, but that's not bad. And Teague actually has more breakaway speed than Dobbins although, he certainly won't make a defender miss in a phone booth like JK.

But with a healthy Fields, good luck cheating on the QB keep, and exposing the inside run game, where Teague gets a head of steam. I think he's going to bust a lot more explosive runs than anyone expects. And obviously, it helps when Day is designing an offense, with Teague's strengths at the forefront of his mind instead of a guy like Dobbins. I'm not too concerned to be honest. I said it in a different thread, and was proved wrong by JK's game against Clemson, but there was a point in this season I actually wished Teague was getting a lion's share of the carries because of his ability to fall forward (like Hyde used too). I think we will be just fine in the RB department.....

Agreed. That was JK’s game, as it should have been. And it was going really well too.

Teague showed plenty of good in his first real campaign. Takes a lot to carry on the torch but we’ve had a great run of talent and leadership that shows the right way to make the jump.

He’ll be ready. And if he’s not, the next guy will.

 

[brodybuck21]