HorseshoeFetish
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One way or another this comment will be true. I'd prefer our offense to be just filthy but we will see. #nocosbygifs
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One way or another this comment will be true. I'd prefer our offense to be just filthy but we will see. #nocosbygifs
TampaBuckeyes
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You can have a QB running threat without a qb read/keep option. Having that option play in the book isn’t going to make the defense pay any more attention to the QB when we are in a RPO or typical drop back passing situation. I’m all for the RPOs, and I’m ok with the occasional delayed QB draw to keep the defense honest. Both achieve the goal of making the defense respect the QB running threat and get the QB 1 on 1 in space to make a play with less wear and tear on their bodies. Rather than J.T. basically being a running back.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Quarterback Decision in Holding Pattern, Direction is Coming
Following Saturday’s spring game, Ohio State football coach Urban Meyer said there was no decision made yet on a starting quarterback. He added that the coaches would meet after the game and then again on Monday and Tuesday, and they would go from there.
On Wednesday, offensive coordinators Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day met with reporters and they said nothing had changed with the quarterbacks from Saturday’s position.
“No, we’re still meeting about that right now and we’re evaluating all the film from spring,” Day said. “So, in the middle of meetings and the middle of evaluations right now. The guys did a good job of competing, but that’s what we’re in the middle of right now. Everybody got better during spring and that was the full focus. We’ve got a great room and that’s something to be proud of.”
Following the sit down with reporters, the full Buckeye football braintrust once against met as a coaching staff to go over various personnel matters. Given how much data was collected at the quarterback position — and how little of it the coaches have apparently sifted through — it wouldn’t seem like a decision is coming in the next few days.
And even if it did, nobody is going to announce it.
Everyone on the staff knows the stakes at quarterback. If fourth-year junior Joe Burrow doesn’t win the job, he will evaluate his situation, which means he could choose to leave after graduation this spring and play somewhere else in 2018.
If Burrow ends up leaving, that would give the Buckeyes just two healthy quarterbacks this season. And if he stays — as a starter or the backup — the depth would be tremendous. The drama, however, might not be.
Wilson ran into this issue at Indiana.
“Well, you’re making everybody mad when you try to make everybody happy,” he said of his quarterback battles at Indiana. “Everything I’m saying right now is going to be judged by them. And basically where you put your comma is going to be judged. Do you put an exclamation point? They’re judging everything, and to me, it was about who got the guy in the end zone. They were all great kids, all that kind of deal. It’s tough.”
Urban Meyer will be meeting with all of the players in the coming days, and assistant coaches will be as well. Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, and Tate Martell will all be told exactly where they stand.
If things are too close to call between Haskins and Burrow, then that is exactly what the two quarterbacks will be told. If Burrow has the edge, Haskins will know it, and if Haskins has the edge, Burrow will know it.
And according to Wilson, they won’t tell a player what he wants to hear just to keep him around.
“First of all, Coach Meyer will make every decision,” he said. “Truly, I think trying to be honest and fair and truthful, but what he thinks is best for the program. I think when you make decisions worried about what the ripple effect could be, I don’t know if that’s always the best deal.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/04/decision-holding-pattern-buckeyes/
Following Saturday’s spring game, Ohio State football coach Urban Meyer said there was no decision made yet on a starting quarterback. He added that the coaches would meet after the game and then again on Monday and Tuesday, and they would go from there.
On Wednesday, offensive coordinators Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day met with reporters and they said nothing had changed with the quarterbacks from Saturday’s position.
“No, we’re still meeting about that right now and we’re evaluating all the film from spring,” Day said. “So, in the middle of meetings and the middle of evaluations right now. The guys did a good job of competing, but that’s what we’re in the middle of right now. Everybody got better during spring and that was the full focus. We’ve got a great room and that’s something to be proud of.”
Following the sit down with reporters, the full Buckeye football braintrust once against met as a coaching staff to go over various personnel matters. Given how much data was collected at the quarterback position — and how little of it the coaches have apparently sifted through — it wouldn’t seem like a decision is coming in the next few days.
And even if it did, nobody is going to announce it.
Everyone on the staff knows the stakes at quarterback. If fourth-year junior Joe Burrow doesn’t win the job, he will evaluate his situation, which means he could choose to leave after graduation this spring and play somewhere else in 2018.
If Burrow ends up leaving, that would give the Buckeyes just two healthy quarterbacks this season. And if he stays — as a starter or the backup — the depth would be tremendous. The drama, however, might not be.
Wilson ran into this issue at Indiana.
“Well, you’re making everybody mad when you try to make everybody happy,” he said of his quarterback battles at Indiana. “Everything I’m saying right now is going to be judged by them. And basically where you put your comma is going to be judged. Do you put an exclamation point? They’re judging everything, and to me, it was about who got the guy in the end zone. They were all great kids, all that kind of deal. It’s tough.”
Urban Meyer will be meeting with all of the players in the coming days, and assistant coaches will be as well. Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, and Tate Martell will all be told exactly where they stand.
If things are too close to call between Haskins and Burrow, then that is exactly what the two quarterbacks will be told. If Burrow has the edge, Haskins will know it, and if Haskins has the edge, Burrow will know it.
And according to Wilson, they won’t tell a player what he wants to hear just to keep him around.
“First of all, Coach Meyer will make every decision,” he said. “Truly, I think trying to be honest and fair and truthful, but what he thinks is best for the program. I think when you make decisions worried about what the ripple effect could be, I don’t know if that’s always the best deal.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/04/decision-holding-pattern-buckeyes/
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First, the people saying "Haskins doesn't have to run the RO because Tate can run it" are way off base unfortunately. Heck yeah Tate can run and run very well, but watching him throw, he just isn't there at this level yet and if you bring him in during a game, the other team will key that because the passing threat is diminished. Thus, the offense is one-dimensional again or 1.5 dimensional with benefit of the doubt.
I'm not nearly as worried about Haskins starting as I am terrified to watch Joe's talent leave thinking that he could master this offense by the early season and be what a healthy JT was early on. That and if Haskins - God forbid - goes down with something, the whole offense is on Tate and a walk on while the true freshman wont be ready.
I'm not nearly as worried about Haskins starting as I am terrified to watch Joe's talent leave thinking that he could master this offense by the early season and be what a healthy JT was early on. That and if Haskins - God forbid - goes down with something, the whole offense is on Tate and a walk on while the true freshman wont be ready.
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dragurd
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But just like they said above you can't base your decision on that. If Joe wants to transfer cause he's not the starter he's well within his rights but you cannot go sorry Dwayne we know you were better in the competition but he threatened to transfer so we are giving him the starting job...
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All well and good if we "knew" one had been better than the other, but that's not the case.
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I guarantee Urban will be prepared for this and remember when JT went down at UM in 2014 a lot of us felt the same about Cardale coming in and you know how that turned out. I color Martell as a gamer anyway, what you see in the spring game and the real game may be totally different.
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If that were the case we would've went straight back to Troy after his suspension.
There's no doubt who the starter should have been after 04 Michigan.
Instead Tressel waffled back and forth between the two. Smith getting himself suspended and Tressel flip flopping cost one of the better OSU teams in that era a shot at the Championship.
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You could say that 2nd paragraph about either guy.
Realistically, we're looking at Tate as the backup either way. Both these guys are starters and we've only got 1 spot. You have to expect whoever isnt the guy will transfer.
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Damion Terry laughs at your first paragraph. He repeatedly killed OSU in short yardage read options in 2015.
Hell, Zander Diamont ran off a 79 yard TD and he was less of a passing threat than the head ref that day.
Tommy Stevens averages 7ypc. It can be effective.
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wigmon
Heisman
Why would Haskins transfer if not named the starter? Makes more sense for Burrow since he can go play somewhere right away, but if Haskins transfers, he has to sit out a year (waste of a year since he's already burned his RS) and run the scout team instead of at least getting 2nd team reps and potentially game time or even starter minutes at some point here. Not saying its off the table for him, but just don't see it being a good option for him.
I just get the feeling the coaches aren't going to name either and say it will be a battle over the summer workouts and into the fall. I think they say that because its what they feel, not just to keep someone around. The coaches do have to figure out what style they want to run. We don't have a full back or run multiple tight end sets, so its really difficult to get the blocking needed to run a lot of play action and slow developing routes down the field. So even if the rpo isn't going to be an integral part of the offense, its going to be a quick throw, not slow developing route offense.
I just get the feeling the coaches aren't going to name either and say it will be a battle over the summer workouts and into the fall. I think they say that because its what they feel, not just to keep someone around. The coaches do have to figure out what style they want to run. We don't have a full back or run multiple tight end sets, so its really difficult to get the blocking needed to run a lot of play action and slow developing routes down the field. So even if the rpo isn't going to be an integral part of the offense, its going to be a quick throw, not slow developing route offense.
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I thought Urban essentially said he wouldn't do that to Burrow?
Haven't kept up with it the past few days though.
I still say you name Burrow because you need the depth and there isn't a big enough gap between the two of them to let him walk. If he proves ineffective during actual game play then you can give Haskins his shot a la Troy and Zwick in '04.
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wigmon
Heisman
My impression of what Meyer said is they wouldn't say something just to keep him around, not that they wouldn't provide an honest evaluation. I think its entirely possible the coaches are 50/50 right now and as a player, I wouldn't have an issue with them telling me that if thats the way it was. Obviously, they have to pick one or the other at some point and the deadline should probably be by the start of fall camp because you probably are going to scheme and call a game a bit differently depending on who the starter is and I think you have to commit to that at the beginning of camp. I had advocated for giving them both some time (alternate starters first 2 games), but in hindsight, probably not the best way to head into the season.
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