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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

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Well. They don't play a defense with a pulse again until Penn State, they play 5 games before that.

Problem is, will they actually work on and fix the issues against clearly over matched defenses. Or will the offense just "look good" because they are playing said over matched defenses and then flop again against the State Penn on October 28.
 
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Good question regarding Michael Thomas; puzzled me when I read that. Maybe he meant MT would always catch it, or if not, that's some revisionist history.

Also, "mentally tough player who has seen it all" doesn't mesh well with "probably hasn't seen enough zone looks in practice".
 
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SIAP:

It certainly feels like we've seen this show before, doesn't it? Against a top opponent, the Buckeyes struggle to move the ball effectively, desperately chucking the ball downfield late in the hopes of mounting a comeback. Whether the loss came against Penn State, Clemson, or Oklahoma, the Ohio State offense has largely looked the same in all three contests, with some symptoms also showing up in wins going as far back as 2015.

Understandably, the blame has shifted over that time as well. First, it was the quarterback coach. Then, the play-calling, and the pass protection after that. Now, many want to blame the quarterback.

But as we've dissected many, many, many times before in this space, the issues with Meyer's offense are more complicated. Replacing a coordinator or a fifth-year senior may feel like a cure-all while the sting of a loss is still fresh, but the problems we've seen come to light time and time again involve more than just one person.

Yes, the quarterback missed some throws downfield. Yes, the receivers have struggled to gain separation and when they have, they've dropped passes (especially in the end zone). Yes, the pass protection on the right side hasn't been rock solid over the past two seasons. But these struggles are related.

Right now the Buckeye offense looks largely the same as it did when Meyer arrived in Columbus five seasons ago - to the point that the unit has lost nearly all ambiguity and any decent coaching staff worth their salt can identify the same concepts they'll see once lined up across from them. This may not matter against Army, UNLV, Rutgers, or Maryland, given the talent gap between those programs and the one in Columbus, but it certainly does when that divide shrinks.

Despite all the excitement about the hires of Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day, the game plan for week two looked nearly identical to that of week one, and Oklahoma was ready. But what Ohio State is suffering from right now isn't a crisis of concepts, but rather one of packaging.

Most offenses rely on the same core plays week to week, both on the ground and through the air. In fact, there really are only about eight to ten running plays and 15-20 passing concepts that every offense runs, all the way from the high school level to the NFL. What separates good offenses from the rest is certainly talent (something Ohio State has covered) and the way those concepts are disguised by formation, motion, or personnel.

If Meyer wants to get his offense fixed, the latter is a good place to start.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...d-after-yet-another-disappointing-performance
 
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Jake said:
By the way, is there a law that says Weber and Dobbins can't be on the field at the same time? I'd rather see that than 4 wide receivers who aren't likely to catch a pass.
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It's not just the lack of using the RBs to be playmaking threats. The hybrid position has just turn to a 3rd receiver, there is no threat of them being a running threat so there isn't a mismatch. Also JT isn't a threat to run outside of a design run. Once JT drops back the threat of JT running the ball basically goes away. He will scramble waiting to see if a WR will come open, he doesn't even dump the ball off to a RB anymore.

We have become too much like a pro offense. Not enough run/pass threat at multiple levels anymore. They need to make the team more dynamic by putting the ball into playmakers hands and stop focusing on JT to make plays with his arm.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Well. They don't play a defense with a pulse again until Penn State, they play 5 games before that.

Problem is, will they actually work on and fix the issues against clearly over matched defenses. Or will the offense just "look good" because they are playing said over matched defenses and then flop again against the State Penn on October 28.
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I don't have my hopes up. Doesn't seem like Meyer realizes what the actual problem is yet, even if everyone else does, and that's the key.
 
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in their last three games against elite competition (Michigan, Clemson, and Oklahoma), the Buckeyes have scored just two offensive non-overtime touchdowns. And one of those touchdowns came on a 13-yard “drive” set up by a Wilton Speight interception and a Jim Harbaugh penalty.

Two regulation touchdowns. In three games. That’s it.

Barrett’s passing stats in those three games: 44-of-100 (44 percent) for 434 yards (144.7 yards per game), zero touchdowns, and four interceptions.
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http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/09/10/meale-urban-meyer-must-bench-j-t-barrett/

There it is, folks. Cold, hard truth.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/09/10/meale-urban-meyer-must-bench-j-t-barrett/

There it is, folks. Cold, hard truth.
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Ouch. :bonk:

In his first collegiate game, J.K. Dobbins carried 29 times for 181 yards (6.2 yards per carry) against Indiana. On Saturday, he carried just 13 times – for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a 5.5 yards-per-carry average, folks, and this was a 17-13 game in the fourth quarter. Why was Dobbins not more involved?

Ohio State had 1st-and-Goal midway through the third quarter with a chance to go up seven and seize control. Might be a good time to hand off to Dobbins, right? Wrong. Kid wasn’t even on the field. Instead, it was quarterback run, quarterback run, incomplete pass, field goal.
 
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Not sure where to put this one. I still don't understand the lack of use of the TE in the passing game. It seems like a perfect weapon for JT especially 10 yds over the middle. We have the TEs to do it and right now we have Ruckert committed for next year.

I know a former TE recruits dad who is now at another major progran. His dad told me the negative recruiting regarding the lack of use of the TE in our offense was constant no matter where he visited. Would love to see that get changed.
 
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