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A sweet smelling bed of roses? Negative times a negative is a positive, right?
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AuTX Buckeye
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Hstead
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There is a major problem with the belief that "all we have to do is rely on the running game". Here is the problem with that. We SUCK DONKEY NADS on first down for the most part. Teams are absolutely loading the box on us. They know JT is not going to beat them through the air. OU had 11 guys within 5 yards of the LOS many times the other night with the Corners right in our WR faces. The Corners knew all they had to do was cover for 10 yards. With teams loading the box, when you run on first down and get behind the chains, you HAVE to be able to complete a pass, period. You cannot expect to beat anyone running the football on 3rd and 7 plus. Isn't going to happen.
You have to be able to stretch the field to run the ball, unless you go full double wing Yellow Jackets option every down. We will see how well Army does this weekend on third and long trying to run the ball on every down. Isn't gong to end well ever when you can't throw a ball.
You have to be able to stretch the field to run the ball, unless you go full double wing Yellow Jackets option every down. We will see how well Army does this weekend on third and long trying to run the ball on every down. Isn't gong to end well ever when you can't throw a ball.
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OSU_Buckguy
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3/18 (17%) for 15+
8/23 (35%) for 10+
20/36 (56%) of completed passes were for no more than 5 yards
completion percentages will be misleading when pretty much all you complete are short passes. last season, ohio state was 113th (of 128) in average yards per completion. of the teams that finished the season ranked, the buckeyes were the only team ranked below 97th.
edit: note the vast wasteland in the middle. that is absurd.
8/23 (35%) for 10+
20/36 (56%) of completed passes were for no more than 5 yards
completion percentages will be misleading when pretty much all you complete are short passes. last season, ohio state was 113th (of 128) in average yards per completion. of the teams that finished the season ranked, the buckeyes were the only team ranked below 97th.
edit: note the vast wasteland in the middle. that is absurd.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Nah it doesn't matter we are still good for 5 yards every first down regardless.. why do you think the triple options still are effective even with no throwing threat? Because they mix it up with run types (draws, leads, power, sweeps, counters, and tosses) and also with run direction (left, right and middle). They're able to do this in a blatantly obvious running formation too to add to it all.
So if they can do that we should be able to do the same thing out of a spread formation that at least force a folks to put bodies over wide outs.
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Systems_id
Head Coach
Also another thing is that if Urban is going to stick with his offense then fine. Run the goddamn football. Run it right down their throats. We didn't run the football nearly enough during the Clemson game and it felt like we didn't run it enough Saturday. If you're going to keep JT in there then run it until they can stop it.
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sparcboxbuck
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Man, I've started to type something so many times, I've just got nothing.
What I know:
I think that we have one of the top coaching staffs in the country.
I think that we have a ton of talent.
I think that there are limitations to some of that talent.
I think that there are some 'ruts' that the staff has to get out of.
I think that the staff needs to evaluate everything and everyone... but carefully move pieces around the board. It's just way too dangerous to make schematic and personnel changes wholesale.
I cannot pretend, and that goes for everyone here, to know what is going on behind closed doors. That said, and with the above, I do believe that the staff sees things for what they are. There's no denying the tape that they all watched on Sunday, right?
I believe that Urban is loyal, perhaps to a fault, but his responsibility to the program eventually outweighs that loyalty.
If I had to predict where things go from here, I suspect that we'll see more read-option bread and butter while they determine who the likely successor for JT will be. That individual will be worked into the rotation and we'll see packages that are tailored to the individuals who are in the field.
Continuing with what's been done to date will yield a 10-2 or 9-3 season. If it's 9-3 I see that loss being tsun... and that would absolutely suck.
I'm not sure what the changes that need to be made are. That's up to the coaches... but there's no doubt, changes do need to be made. I suspect the changes are not staff related. I suspect it is player personnel and scheme together.
At least I hope.
What I know:
I think that we have one of the top coaching staffs in the country.
I think that we have a ton of talent.
I think that there are limitations to some of that talent.
I think that there are some 'ruts' that the staff has to get out of.
I think that the staff needs to evaluate everything and everyone... but carefully move pieces around the board. It's just way too dangerous to make schematic and personnel changes wholesale.
I cannot pretend, and that goes for everyone here, to know what is going on behind closed doors. That said, and with the above, I do believe that the staff sees things for what they are. There's no denying the tape that they all watched on Sunday, right?
I believe that Urban is loyal, perhaps to a fault, but his responsibility to the program eventually outweighs that loyalty.
If I had to predict where things go from here, I suspect that we'll see more read-option bread and butter while they determine who the likely successor for JT will be. That individual will be worked into the rotation and we'll see packages that are tailored to the individuals who are in the field.
Continuing with what's been done to date will yield a 10-2 or 9-3 season. If it's 9-3 I see that loss being tsun... and that would absolutely suck.
I'm not sure what the changes that need to be made are. That's up to the coaches... but there's no doubt, changes do need to be made. I suspect the changes are not staff related. I suspect it is player personnel and scheme together.
At least I hope.
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The single biggest source of frustration for me is that we have known the issues since the public poleaxing from Clemson.
All winter, spring, summer and fall camp to work on it and now they are going to figure it out somehow mid season?
I just don't see the same reasonable expectation for improvement as I do with the back 7 of the defense.
You are going to have to prove, through consistent execution, to defenses that you can hurt them with the forward pass or this isn't going to change.
They are well beyond the stage where a fast guy getting loose behind the defense, completed or not, will keep the D honest. Any D coordinator with a brain is going to make you do it more than once and Barrett/WR combo haven't shown any inkling of ability to do that.
All winter, spring, summer and fall camp to work on it and now they are going to figure it out somehow mid season?
I just don't see the same reasonable expectation for improvement as I do with the back 7 of the defense.
You are going to have to prove, through consistent execution, to defenses that you can hurt them with the forward pass or this isn't going to change.
They are well beyond the stage where a fast guy getting loose behind the defense, completed or not, will keep the D honest. Any D coordinator with a brain is going to make you do it more than once and Barrett/WR combo haven't shown any inkling of ability to do that.
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sg86
Heisman
The most dynamic our offense has ever looked has been with Cardale Jones at QB. The reason for that is because he could actually throw the ball downfield. We have talent. We have good offensive minds. You cannot run this offense with someone who cannot throw downfield. It's not possible. The majority of the playbook is reliant upon a standard number of guys in the box defensively and a secondary who has to play back and thus cannot easily blow up screens and short crosses. When you cannot throw downfield, the safeties cheat up, screens get blown up, short crosses get broken up or tackled immediately and there are little to no gaps for which the RB can run.
I like Barrett. He's a great guy, an upstanding representative of the school and the team and absolutely 100% deserves to be a captain. His arm, however is not good. I remember a lot of people wondering what it would look like if Kenny Guiton ever got to start for OSU. This is what it looks like. Both of those guys were wonderful people who I wish nothing but tremendous success for and both could start at more than half of the FBS schools, but this is Ohio State and you play to win conference and national championships. You cannot do this with the current state of the QB play.
You can be a nice HC and give a wonderful kid a chance or you can be an elite team, but right now it's abundantly clear that you cannot have both of these things.
But we all know what's going to happen. Barrett will have 300 yards or so against Army and UNLV and the staff will act like things have been fixed and then we'll go in and struggle against Rutgers through the air.
I like Barrett. He's a great guy, an upstanding representative of the school and the team and absolutely 100% deserves to be a captain. His arm, however is not good. I remember a lot of people wondering what it would look like if Kenny Guiton ever got to start for OSU. This is what it looks like. Both of those guys were wonderful people who I wish nothing but tremendous success for and both could start at more than half of the FBS schools, but this is Ohio State and you play to win conference and national championships. You cannot do this with the current state of the QB play.
You can be a nice HC and give a wonderful kid a chance or you can be an elite team, but right now it's abundantly clear that you cannot have both of these things.
But we all know what's going to happen. Barrett will have 300 yards or so against Army and UNLV and the staff will act like things have been fixed and then we'll go in and struggle against Rutgers through the air.
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