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2016 tOSU OL Discussion

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melecoaze said:


That seems... bad.
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it certainly is, but i think you have to take the situation into account as well. he's a young kid, others will know better than i but i think he needs better upper body strength. playing in a white out in slappy valley certainly doesn't help. as often as both our tackles were getting beat by speed rushes on the edges, my first suspicion is they simply couldn't hear the snap and were responding almost exclusively to when the dlineman was going. outside of taking your eyes off the defense to watch for the snap of the ball (horrible idea), im not sure what else they can do... a talented penn state dline, during a white out in slappy valley, and two super young inexperienced tackles... that kind of thing typically doesn't end well :(.
 
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I get the 'quick feet' on pass protection. Why not put Burrell in there for a run or two up the gut. Between Elflein and Jones, he's a pretty devastating blocker (or so I saw in garbage time in one game). If the OL is having trouble 'moving them off the line', then maybe a substitute OL for a particular play (somewhere I seem to remember they do it for skill players....). I also get the cohesiveness thingy about the OL. PS, I believe that Prince is strong enough, just that his feet don't move quickly enough to shift in front of those shifty DE's that he faces. Though, it seems that Bosa might give him some good reps during the week.......Go Bucks! Edit: and after once or twice of that, put in a Samuel cut across the middle, as the obvious run will draw up the LBers. And I only make 24 cents a year, not the hundreds of thousands that the OC etc make. Give it a try, can't be any worse than we're doing now......Ever and always, Go Bucks!
 
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RugbyBuck said:
Plenty of time to throw but, apparently, no one was ever open save KJ Hill and Samuel once across the middle. Not so great in the run blocking, though, at least not to the level we are used to seeing.
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It's everything.

The receivers do not separate well.

The scheme is very mediocre and almost never puts the opposition in a bind defensively. Unlike the running game which frequently outflanks the opposition and puts them in situations to fail, the passing game is way too easy to handle unless there are monsters on the outside.

The routes have been largely mediocre from the OSU recruited WRs. Thomas transformed the passing game with his devastating routes and could get deep by his effectiveness on comeback and intermediate routes, which set up some nasty double moves (VT's manhood is still missing). If they held a foot race, Thomas would get destroyed by almost every 2016 WR that is playing. Then if they ran a pro day workout for scouts, he'd embarrass every one of them with his precision and separation.

Barrett is getting a little more confident and looking to his second and third read, but he still waits so long to let it fly that the defense often has time to close. He does not throw guys open and certainly does not have the chemistry or accuracy to throw before his wideouts break off their routes. JT and his WRs are frequently on different pages.

Barrett has a very average arm that does not allow him to get away with late throws and often leads to dangerous throws (less of these recently compared to earlier this year).

The pass protection is not reliable, so a run-first QB is not often comfortable standing in and delivering (though he's become much better here).



JT is also a really good running QB. He's not as explosive as Braxton or Pryor, but he's so smart about his movements (whereas Braxton was ultra slippery but not very wise in his scrambles). Other than the techmo bowl jailbreaks against PSU, he has a great knack for ugly yardage. Frequently when he is sacked, he only loses 0.5-2.5 yds. When there's nothing there on the option, he has the vision, strength and body control to get upfield and avoid a loss when there's nothing there, sometimes sneaking a 3-6 gain out of a 3 yd loss situation.

That crafty, wise scrambling also comes at the expense of late developing plays as he looks to survive for the next play. Some of that is what you have to live with from a running QB.
 
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I remember that in 2013, Hyde's first TFL was in mid November. That's not on Hyde, that's on the Slobs. Warinner took Bollman's recruits and turned them into the Slobs. It is just so hard for me to imagine that we're having such severe problems on the OL five years into Meyer's tenure when he's had his own recruits. And we've got to get the RT position shored up. Looking at their performance against scUM, I am certainly apprehensive of Clemson and Alabama, whose DL are as good as, if not superior to scUM's.

Looking at my first post on this thread, I thought Knox and Burrell were sure to start. We're starting a true freshman ahead of either of them. Not a knock on Jordan, but wow!!! (A lol-worthy fact is that posting about Knox was what got me banned from irishenvy.)
 
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