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Bien. Bien chiludo.
Likewise. All four teams are going to want, desperately, to be the first Playoff Champion. Can't ask for more inspiration than that.
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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)
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Likewise. All four teams are going to want, desperately, to be the first Playoff Champion. Can't ask for more inspiration than that.
bukIpower
Head Coach
Oh I didn't just mean you buddy I've seen it everywhere in regards to getting to the perimiter. I will disagree though about the offenses being the same Urban ran at UF. Less QB ruuns, less reliance on using our motion men as our main running attack, and much more dependacy on running downhill between the tackles.
Also in response to the bama fan who answered my question... Fair point about your secondary and I realize sinsere (don't know how to spell it) got hurt half way through the year but how can you say this secondary is better than last year? The numbers id imagine tell us differently.
Also I don't know how you can say this is the best defensive line that saban has possibly ever had... deepest maybe, but top end talent I would say no way you top the one with Darius and Cody.
From what bama fans have told me is they play matchups a lot with their d line. Meaning on third down they bring in speed and then on run downs bring in more run stoppers. Is that right or no? Because if true I hate that approach because with a team thatruns hurry up id be very easy to catch you guys in bad matchups. To me if true it means some of your defensive front guys aren't as complete as they need to be. If its not true then disregard what I said as far as playing for matchups
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AlabamaPaul
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When the term match up is used, it refers more to the style of offense the opposing team runs. For a traditional offense, Bama would run its base 3-4, but for HUNH teams Bama pulls the nose tackle and runs a 4-2-5...
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BamaInHoustonRTR
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Because it is. Its the same players just a year older. Cyrus Jones still cant make a play if the ball is well thrown but at least now he blankets his WR and plays good technique and is there if the pass isn't on target. He is also a bit more physical. Eddie Jackson, Maurice Smith, Bradley Slyve, Geno Smith, were all there last year. All have improved comparatively. But still CB is by far and away our weakest position with a CB3 having to play CB1 and a bunch of other guys who are inconsistent at best. We just don't have a shut down corner in the name of a Dre Kirkpatrick or Milliner.
No that is not exactly correct. I am sure at times it is, but more largely it is based on when you sub different packages in we have a lot of different DLs and LB wec an bring in to match up for certain looks. It is ironic that you mention Cody then turn around and mention that hurry up could take advantage of certain players on the field. Cody is the perfect example of a not every down player. Our base defensive line is plenty capable. When we can specialize its just that much better.
A'shawn Robinson and Reed do a fantastic job in the middle. Allen and Pettway are both very versatile against the run and pass.
Here was our depth chart at beginning of year. Some changes and based on 3-4 which we play less of since we are very multiple but it gives you an idea.
Defense
DE Jonathan Allen/Dalvin Tomlinson, Dee Liner
NG A'Shawn Robinson, Darren Lake/Brandon Ivory, Joshua Frazier
DE DJ Pettway, Da'Shawn Hand/Jarran Reed
SAM Denzel Devall, Dillon Lee, Rashaan Evans/Christian Miller
Mike Trey DePriest/Reuben Foster, Shaun Dion Hamilton
Will Reggie Ragland/Reuben Foster, Walker Jones
Jack Xzavier Dickson, Ryan Anderson
CB Bradley Sylve, Maurice Smith/Marlon Humohrey
CB Cyrus Jones, Tony Brown/Eddie Jackson
SS Landon Collins, Jarrick Williams, Hootie Jones
FS Nick Perry/Geno Smith, Jabriel Washington
Star Jarrick Williams/Geno Smith, Maurice Smith
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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I personally like the one I posted yesterday or two days ago better, but another good one:
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AlabamaPaul
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He will shift it around depending on what personnel are present on offense and where he lines up the safety moving towards the line...
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Coqui
Legend
So what happens when the personnel provides power run (Ezekiel Elliot) with spread speed run (Jalyn Marshall or Dontre Wilson) with the deep threat pass (Evan Spencer, Devin Smith, or Michael Thomas, or any two of them)?
As well as the formation could be any of those.
And it turns out to be a QB Draw?
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I thought I would take a minute to address some of the blowback our visitors may encounter on BP:
(And naturally this has little relevance to the outcome of this standalone game, but it is quite relevant to the chatter)
Regional pride
This is a very foreign concept up here. Iowa City, Madison, Chicago, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Happy Valley are not very similar and their residents would never say they are from the Midwest. The south takes great pride in their region and often seems to place that above their own hometown when identifying themselves to others (and themselves). This is largely cultural and surely stems in part from the original divide and the development of the culture since then.
Bama fans: applicable
Rooting for conference rivals
Understand that this is viewed as perverse blasphemy and unfathomable up here. Most want Michigan and Penn State to be ruined and to a lesser extent Bucky (and no, psu is not a rival). Some want Michigan to recover but only enough so that the importance and and pain is higher when osu rips out their hearts. It isn't just the principle of the issue though.
Osu and UM do not thrive simultaneously. Their success comes at the expense of the other and often for sustained stretches. The ten year war between bo and woody was epic and the most balanced stretch of the rivalry yet UM was not winning championships. The depth of the conference has waned considerably in the last few decades , between population shifts, scholarship restrictions, coaching payrolls, recruiting budgets and so forth. So our entire perspective is built around The Game and the hatred and hopes for their destruction.
Perhaps if Michigan had been more relevant or if PSU and Nebraska had not had their teeth kicked in when they joined, we might have a different perspective on conference brethren success. But as it stands it is largely a two team conference and those two undermine each other.
Bama: very relevant
Coattail riding
One of the most frustrating trends for us Yankees is the proximity to greatness silliness that goes on in the sec. Your league is phenomenal and has outpaced most other conferences. The depth of talent, coaches and possible title contenders is remarkable. That said, we finally saw the media catch on to the circular logic of the sec this year.
In the early years, it was Bama, lsu and UF and then a steep cliff. You 3 were head and shoulders above the rest yet not only did the fans of mediocre programs pretend like they won too, but the mouthpiece of college football did the same (and was indistinguishable from homer network cbs in their hyperbole ). This was repeated so often that everyone started buying it. This helped transform mediocre programs like south Carolina, ole miss and others who weren't actually winning themselves. Frankly I'd include auburn here but they were always lurking nearby. They needed Florida's dynasty to be derailed by signing away their disgraced future qb.
Worse yet was the special treatment given in the polls. When an unranked sec foe - David - slays goliath , they skyrocket in the polls, while goliath only stumbles slightly. Having your top team fail somehow proves your league's greatness (we even heard this silliness after Bama played poorly against Arkansas but won). In other leagues those upsets are hailed as proof that the league isn't as good as we thought.
This finally came home to roost this year, when the media could no longer ignore the absurd rankings of south Carolina, the aggies, the tigers and the mississippis. Their greatness was self created in a comedic cycle of poll inflation.
What was lost on most people was the inability to spot this phenomenon while still believing the league was strong and deep. It absolutely is, but this cyclical inflation takes it to another level.
Bama involvement: mild. Naturally you would still tout the league's dominance during the rare years where you aren't in the title game, and the cyclical logic helps cover some warts for alabama. But overall you guys do not ride the success of others, they are riding yours.
Oversigning
This was a very hot topic during the tressel years. Naturall us fanatics like to delude ourselves into believing that our coach is honorable and the opposition (especially the winners) are the ones guilty of breaking the rules.
Nick caught a ton of flak for having to find 10 extra spots after every off-season. It was easier to hold this objection under tressel as he took a rare sniper approach to recruiting. He would tell kids where they were on the board and cast a very shallow net by position. Combined with a down to earth approach to recruiting (read: not slick or sexy ) he frequently Whiffed on the high profile recruits around signing day, leaving them a few spots under 85 most years.
Fast forward to now and we have an sec coach of our own. While we may try to say he is only wiggling out of a few verbal commitments per year and not cutting 10 each off-season, that is semantics and not a very sturdy high horse :)
Bama: very relevant, but much more hypocritical now with urban running our program
Bowl locations
A major sore spot for B1G fans is the corrupt bowl system that has no end in sight. We get that fans would like a balmy vacation spot for many bowls but the real story is that Midwest fans will travel to any location while the southern schools have little interest or impetus to consider coming up here. This is not why the disparity exists right now, but it is a nice advantage. There is a reason they seed teams closer to home.
Traveling north
Like Oversigning, this is a slightly dated complaint. A decade ago, Georgia, florida and many other sec teams just flat out refused to leave their region. Some of them had gone 60 years without choosing to do so. Florida had gone half a century with out doing it by choice or by bowl selection. Back then, there were a few exceptions to this, namely lsu and Tennessee.
Fast forward to now, and the last few years have seen an explosion in big ooc matchups from the sec. Naturally some still prefer "neutral" matchups in Dallas or Atlanta, but the trend has shifted. I think part of that is the state of the league and each program, as there was no sudden change to inspire Georgia to grow the courage or interest to travel for big games (frankly the non southern schools are viewed with much less respect these days).
Hopefully the playoff committee will inspire more teams to schedule elite ooc matchups. I just wish that those teams would schedule home and away series instead of neutral site paydays. Beating or losing to alabama in Jerry world is nowhere near as exciting as in Tuscaloosa.
Naturally we will never get our wish and bring you up here in late October or November, but a few more elite sec vs osu matchups would be nice if they were in their home stadiums. Sadly the now defunct p12 b1g matchup forced us to cancel our series with Georgia and Tennessee. Hopefully alabama or lsu can be lined up for 2024 or so (which is what makes scheduling those so difficult )
Bama: slightly relevant. Anyone know why the Sparty series was cancelled ?
(And naturally this has little relevance to the outcome of this standalone game, but it is quite relevant to the chatter)
Regional pride
This is a very foreign concept up here. Iowa City, Madison, Chicago, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Happy Valley are not very similar and their residents would never say they are from the Midwest. The south takes great pride in their region and often seems to place that above their own hometown when identifying themselves to others (and themselves). This is largely cultural and surely stems in part from the original divide and the development of the culture since then.
Bama fans: applicable
Rooting for conference rivals
Understand that this is viewed as perverse blasphemy and unfathomable up here. Most want Michigan and Penn State to be ruined and to a lesser extent Bucky (and no, psu is not a rival). Some want Michigan to recover but only enough so that the importance and and pain is higher when osu rips out their hearts. It isn't just the principle of the issue though.
Osu and UM do not thrive simultaneously. Their success comes at the expense of the other and often for sustained stretches. The ten year war between bo and woody was epic and the most balanced stretch of the rivalry yet UM was not winning championships. The depth of the conference has waned considerably in the last few decades , between population shifts, scholarship restrictions, coaching payrolls, recruiting budgets and so forth. So our entire perspective is built around The Game and the hatred and hopes for their destruction.
Perhaps if Michigan had been more relevant or if PSU and Nebraska had not had their teeth kicked in when they joined, we might have a different perspective on conference brethren success. But as it stands it is largely a two team conference and those two undermine each other.
Bama: very relevant
Coattail riding
One of the most frustrating trends for us Yankees is the proximity to greatness silliness that goes on in the sec. Your league is phenomenal and has outpaced most other conferences. The depth of talent, coaches and possible title contenders is remarkable. That said, we finally saw the media catch on to the circular logic of the sec this year.
In the early years, it was Bama, lsu and UF and then a steep cliff. You 3 were head and shoulders above the rest yet not only did the fans of mediocre programs pretend like they won too, but the mouthpiece of college football did the same (and was indistinguishable from homer network cbs in their hyperbole ). This was repeated so often that everyone started buying it. This helped transform mediocre programs like south Carolina, ole miss and others who weren't actually winning themselves. Frankly I'd include auburn here but they were always lurking nearby. They needed Florida's dynasty to be derailed by signing away their disgraced future qb.
Worse yet was the special treatment given in the polls. When an unranked sec foe - David - slays goliath , they skyrocket in the polls, while goliath only stumbles slightly. Having your top team fail somehow proves your league's greatness (we even heard this silliness after Bama played poorly against Arkansas but won). In other leagues those upsets are hailed as proof that the league isn't as good as we thought.
This finally came home to roost this year, when the media could no longer ignore the absurd rankings of south Carolina, the aggies, the tigers and the mississippis. Their greatness was self created in a comedic cycle of poll inflation.
What was lost on most people was the inability to spot this phenomenon while still believing the league was strong and deep. It absolutely is, but this cyclical inflation takes it to another level.
Bama involvement: mild. Naturally you would still tout the league's dominance during the rare years where you aren't in the title game, and the cyclical logic helps cover some warts for alabama. But overall you guys do not ride the success of others, they are riding yours.
Oversigning
This was a very hot topic during the tressel years. Naturall us fanatics like to delude ourselves into believing that our coach is honorable and the opposition (especially the winners) are the ones guilty of breaking the rules.
Nick caught a ton of flak for having to find 10 extra spots after every off-season. It was easier to hold this objection under tressel as he took a rare sniper approach to recruiting. He would tell kids where they were on the board and cast a very shallow net by position. Combined with a down to earth approach to recruiting (read: not slick or sexy ) he frequently Whiffed on the high profile recruits around signing day, leaving them a few spots under 85 most years.
Fast forward to now and we have an sec coach of our own. While we may try to say he is only wiggling out of a few verbal commitments per year and not cutting 10 each off-season, that is semantics and not a very sturdy high horse :)
Bama: very relevant, but much more hypocritical now with urban running our program
Bowl locations
A major sore spot for B1G fans is the corrupt bowl system that has no end in sight. We get that fans would like a balmy vacation spot for many bowls but the real story is that Midwest fans will travel to any location while the southern schools have little interest or impetus to consider coming up here. This is not why the disparity exists right now, but it is a nice advantage. There is a reason they seed teams closer to home.
Traveling north
Like Oversigning, this is a slightly dated complaint. A decade ago, Georgia, florida and many other sec teams just flat out refused to leave their region. Some of them had gone 60 years without choosing to do so. Florida had gone half a century with out doing it by choice or by bowl selection. Back then, there were a few exceptions to this, namely lsu and Tennessee.
Fast forward to now, and the last few years have seen an explosion in big ooc matchups from the sec. Naturally some still prefer "neutral" matchups in Dallas or Atlanta, but the trend has shifted. I think part of that is the state of the league and each program, as there was no sudden change to inspire Georgia to grow the courage or interest to travel for big games (frankly the non southern schools are viewed with much less respect these days).
Hopefully the playoff committee will inspire more teams to schedule elite ooc matchups. I just wish that those teams would schedule home and away series instead of neutral site paydays. Beating or losing to alabama in Jerry world is nowhere near as exciting as in Tuscaloosa.
Naturally we will never get our wish and bring you up here in late October or November, but a few more elite sec vs osu matchups would be nice if they were in their home stadiums. Sadly the now defunct p12 b1g matchup forced us to cancel our series with Georgia and Tennessee. Hopefully alabama or lsu can be lined up for 2024 or so (which is what makes scheduling those so difficult )
Bama: slightly relevant. Anyone know why the Sparty series was cancelled ?
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