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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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jwinslow said:
There are a small handful of backs who run the football as well as EzE. There are few if any with the full package of skills. Not just a good blocker in pass pro but a lethal lead blocker on rushing plays. He had soft hands and is adept at making one handed catches as well.
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Zeke, barring injuries, will have a career on Sundays I do not doubt it. If he were only a smidge bigger he'd be a 1st rounder.
 
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buck1973 said:
It's obvious you two have not been following what the alumni association has been doing. The alumni association no longer collects dues. In order to encourage the alumni to give back to the university, they switched to a gift based model. Prior to 2012, the alumni association had two levels, dues paying members and lifetime members. In 2012, the structure was changed to the...



Lifetime members: Phased out, but those alumni who were already lifetime members are allowed to keep it.

The numbers you are comparing are not really equivalent. The over 500,000 you reference are all graduates of Ohio State (basic members). The 34,000 for Alabama are members giving gifts to their alumni association. I would guess the OSU has more sustaining members than that (couldn't find the number), but they are also able to designate where their money goes. It's possible that Alabama has just as many alumni donating to their university, just not to the alumni association. Also, Alabama does not have a football ticket lottery which would likely increase their membership.
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Actually, you clearly misunderstand. There were 450,000 members in the OSU Alumni Association when the new model was implemented. Most were lifetime members who took advantage of the discount offer at graduation. They did not disappear. There are now more than 500,000, so possibly 50,000 new basic members max.



Enduro R said:
In 2013, Alabama's athletic department revenues provided $6.5 million to academic scholarships. OSU's athletic department contributed $5 million to their academic scholarships. Most universities that have athletic program balance sheets in the black help their schools with academic scholarships. See the link.http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...e-teams-2013-texas-longhorns-cant-be-stopped/
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Enduro R said:
Well, here you go. I guess Forbes is spewing smoke and mirrors too? Our athletic department spends more on academic scholarships than OSU's does. I found that surprising given your revenues are around the same as ours if not a little higher.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...e-teams-2013-texas-longhorns-cant-be-stopped/
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Enduro R said:
I digress. My post was trying to convey that donating to the athletic department helps with the success of athletics, which in turn creates more revenue. This trickles down to more academic scholarships, which it does. I tried to be clear on that. i.e "trickle down". You have no idea how they mark donations to the AD. At the end of the day, its revenue. Do you troll your own message board often? Seems like all you come on here to do is argue with every poster that isn't in your kuji fan club. Try conversing without being confrontational. It's quite a bit more welcoming that way.
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I don't think you are posting as a troll or a blind homer.

That said, I think we move forward if you clarify the point you wish to make and consider another point first.

First, the other point. Ohio State, unlike Alabama, has not traditionally pulled scholarship offers from players. What is it in the SEC, especially with Saban, about 10% of each class? So, even if we accept that the small amount spent on academic is going to scholarships (and not things like tutors), isn't it possible that more money might be going into scholarships for players cut from the team, as Alabama repeatedly recruits over the limit far more than Ohio State?

Second, isn't it more realistic to argue that people donating to the Athletics Department are more likely to contribute also to academic departments? Those correlated donations apparently would not be reflected in the documents you linked (which I have not really read).
 
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shiloh said:
Was wondering how/what athletes graduation rates had to do w/academic ratings? If you play for Meyer/Saban I assume you're somewhat intelligent, especially quarterback. ok, that was a non-sequitur.
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The whole convo is a non-sequitur. FWIW, GSR isn't grad rate either. Just requires that a student be in good academic standing when they leave - and there's a lot of ways to tweak that; especially for schools in the habit of pulling scholarships, fabricating medical issues, etc. The rating method of the website is rather silly too... but what else to expect from a Journalist? Not like they have the slightest grasp on statistics.
Anyway, for some reason our guests wanted to go there. :booyah:
No idea what happens on New Years, but if they want to start Academic smack talk that's always going to be a losing proposition for them.
 
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Blake Sims was 23 of 27 last game setting effeciency records in the SEC CG. 6 of 6 on 3rd down for first downs, 20 of 21 inside five yards, and 10 of 11 on playaction for 132 yards and a TD. If Blake Sims plays badly tOSU is going to have to affect him and not count on him just screwing up on his own.

TJ Yeldon is a cutback runner and a 2nd round projection with 700 yards this year due to injuries and splitting (actually splitting carries - not a relief guy) carries. That's about all you need to know about him. I like Zeke Elliott. I think he's tOSUs best asset despite not being the "best player". TJ hs quick feet picking up 3 yards where other backs get zero. He's good at changing direction and nimble in the secondary.

Saban likes to use change of pace backs. Before we lost Drake for the season he was using 3 primary backs. TJ has played injured since LSU. I hope he is close to 100% for the Playoff.
 
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SECorBust said:
Blake Sims was 23 of 27 last game setting effeciency records in the SEC CG. 6 of 6 on 3rd down for first downs, 20 of 21 inside five yards, and 10 of 11 on playaction for 132 yards and a TD. If Blake Sims plays badly tOSU is going to have to affect him and not count on him just screwing up on his own.

TJ Yeldon is a cutback runner and a 2nd round projection with 700 yards this year due to injuries and splitting (actually splitting carries - not a relief guy) carries. That's about all you need to know about him. I like Zeke Elliott. I think he's tOSUs best asset despite not being the "best player". TJ hs quick feet picking up 3 yards where other backs get zero. He's good at changing direction and nimble in the secondary.

Saban likes to use change of pace backs. Before we lost Drake for the season he was using 3 primary backs. TJ has played injured since LSU. I hope he is close to 100% for the Playoff.
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Fortunately, that's exactly what our D-line is capable of doing.
 
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I just don't see Zeke or TJ having great success against the two solid run defenses. Sims/Cooper is going to be the difference in a hard fought contest IMO.
Sims is quick, very quick on his feet, throws solid short passes and seldom takes a sack. Flushed out of the pocket, he can scamper for 15-20 yards. And Cooper,
We all know what a beast he can be in space.
 
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Bama better hope their defense comes ready to play lights out, because they aren't winning a shootout, Cooper or not. I think the key for the Tide in this game must include a relentless defense. They must force three-and-outs and they must force turnovers.
 
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I don't think OSU has a very solid run defense. I think they're capable of rising to that level if the front four are disciplined and the safeties/MLB are on, but that is often not the case.

I also have not really seen anyone shut down Ezekiel Elliott. Va Tech was a disaster where virtually everyone played badly, the young QB, OL and WRs were lousy, and Zeke only had 8 carries. Since then, he has been steady to dominant in almost every outing.

PSU 26-109-1 td
MSU 23-154-2 td
MIN 18-091-0 td (his best YPC of the first 3)
MIC 17-121-2 td
WIS 20-220-2 td

Now I think this will be a bigger challenge than any other opponent and that is compounded by the downgrade in terms of option operator at QB. That said, JT Barrett was at best adequate at throwing the deep ball, so if Cardale can dial up a few more of those, it may force Geno Smith and the safeties to stay honest downfield (though I doubt that happens unless they are repeatedly forced to do so).
 
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Telekinesis said:
Bama better hope their defense comes ready to play lights out, because they aren't winning a shootout, Cooper or not. I think the key for the Tide in this game must include a relentless defense. They must force three-and-outs and they must force turnovers.
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In a shootout I will take a 5th year senior QB and the nation's best wide receiver over a young QB with limited game experience and no great receivers....and We did ok in the shootout with Auburn too. As I stated earlier, I don't think either team will have great success running the football.....but heck ...I could be wrong.
 
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jwinslow said:
I don't think OSU has a very solid run defense. I think they're capable of rising to that level if the front four are disciplined and the safeties/MLB are on, but that is often not the case.

I also have not really seen anyone shut down Ezekiel Elliott. Va Tech was a disaster where virtually everyone played badly, the young QB, OL and WRs were lousy, and Zeke only had 8 carries. Since then, he has been steady to dominant in almost every outing.

PSU 26-109-1 td
MSU 23-154-2 td
MIN 18-091-0 td (his best YPC of the first 3)
MIC 17-121-2 td
WIS 20-220-2 td

Now I think this will be a bigger challenge than any other opponent and that is compounded by the downgrade in terms of option operator at QB. That said, JT Barrett was at best adequate at throwing the deep ball, so if Cardale can dial up a few more of those, it may force Geno Smith and the safeties to stay honest downfield (though I doubt that happens unless they are repeatedly forced to do so).
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The deep ball from Cardale has this Bama fan a little concerned. I hope Smart and Co. are working on the " deep ball" seven days a week at practice. We have speed and talent in the secondary but the "plays on deep balls have been God awful, The last few games.
 
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beau said:
In a shootout I will take a 5th year senior QB and the nation's best wide receiver over a young QB with limited game experience and no great receivers....and We did ok in the shootout with Auburn too. As I stated earlier, I don't think either team will have great success running the football.....but heck ...I could be wrong.
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From what I can tell, that was the only balanced offense that challenged them to a shootout and that team does not play defense. WVU tried though they are a far cry from OSU & Auburn on the ground. Jones is a wildcard that could hold back the offense. The lack of a top-10 pick at WR will not.
 
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