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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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I've seen multiple Bama fans predict limited running from Cardale due to the lack of depth at QB. Frankly no one thought Cardale would be this good this quickly, so if fear of losing a QB was a factor, they would not have run JT Barrett like crazy. The offense is built around the option and constraints it puts on the offense, and they build a host of plays off of those. They will probably run Cardale less than JT, but that will be because of his skillset and the scheme more than any fears about injuries. JT was lost for the year on the type of running play that Cardale will run regularly.

As far as his style, he is more of a pro style passer that can move. Not unlike Sims, though larger and a touch less agile.

My concerns about Cardale are how well he will operate the option, how decisive he will be (especially against more athletic opposition) and how he will handle adversity. One or two of his deep balls were completed while getting drilled but his hit count will go through the roof in this game.
 
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BUCKDUBBS007 said:
I feel the same way about our new starter and that is understandable. In a game like this it most likely come down to the team that makes the fewest mistakes. And of course to throw in a Jon Madden, the team with the most points should win the game.
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jwinslow said:
I've seen multiple Bama fans predict limited running from Cardale due to the lack of depth at QB. Frankly no one thought Cardale would be this good this quickly, so if fear of losing a QB was a factor, they would not have run JT Barrett like crazy. The offense is built around the option and constraints it puts on the offense, and they build a host of plays off of those. They will probably run Cardale less than JT, but that will be because of his skillset and the scheme more than any fears about injuries. JT was lost for the year on the type of running play that Cardale will run regularly.

As far as his style, he is more of a pro style passer that can move. Not unlike Sims, though larger and a touch less agile.

My concerns about Cardale are how well he will operate the option, how decisive he will be (especially against more athletic opposition) and how he will handle adversity. One or two of his deep balls were completed while getting drilled but his hit count will go through the roof in this game.
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What do you mean by his hit count?
 
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beau said:
What do you mean by his hit count?
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Meaning I'm certain Kirby will pound Cardale early and often, sometimes a touch late (not necessarily dirty, just an emphasis to see how he responds).

Cardale dropped a few dimes while getting hit but they were also doing anything they wanted, so it's easier to feel confident in that situation.
 
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My two cents. I think both teams will struggle establishing the running game and the team with the best passing attack will win. With an experienced Senior QB and Amari Cooper running routes in a stadium with no weather elements to contend with, I have to give the edge to Alabama in a close game. Also, about 10 Bama starters have been playing with nagging injuries, QB-Cooper, HB-Yeldon, TE-Vogler, RT-Shepard and LT-Cam Sims to name a few, all offensive players and if they are healed, the output should be better. If Ala can avoid costly turnovers, I think the Tide can put up some points.
 
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beau said:
Sims is a senior with two years of playing QB. This season he has started in all 13 of Ala's games. Jones is a sophomore with limited starts and less game experience. Both are great athletes but Sim's game experience, gives him the edge in my biased opinion. Sims in past games has gotten rattled on the road, AR and Ole Miss, both road games were his two worst starts. However, he looked pretty darn good in the SEC Championship in ATL which was a neutral site on paper but Alabama had the many fans at the game.
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Greyshirt and Redshirt Sophomore*
Not that it particularly matters, but people seem to think he's some kind of green kid... he's the same recruiting class as Braxton Miller.
 
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jwinslow said:
I've seen multiple Bama fans predict limited running from Cardale due to the lack of depth at QB. Frankly no one thought Cardale would be this good this quickly, so if fear of losing a QB was a factor, they would not have run JT Barrett like crazy. The offense is built around the option and constraints it puts on the offense, and they build a host of plays off of those. They will probably run Cardale less than JT, but that will be because of his skillset and the scheme more than any fears about injuries. JT was lost for the year on the type of running play that Cardale will run regularly.

As far as his style, he is more of a pro style passer that can move. Not unlike Sims, though larger and a touch less agile.

My concerns about Cardale are how well he will operate the option, how decisive he will be (especially against more athletic opposition) and how he will handle adversity. One or two of his deep balls were completed while getting drilled but his hit count will go through the roof in this game.
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Excellent post from a man that knows College Football
 
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kujirakira said:
Greyshirt and Redshirt Sophomore*
Not that it particularly matters, but people seem to think he's some kind of green kid... he's the same recruiting class as Braxton Miller.
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Not saying he's green. He just doesn't have game experience. It took Sims, a fifth year senior, half a season to learn how to deal with crowd noise. He could make the throws just fine, it was the mental aspect of the game that Sims had trouble with early on.
 
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I doubt crowd noise will be much of a factor in this game...
- NFL stadiums have significantly less capacity than some of the places these teams are used to
- Seating should be split pretty evenly - Ohio State travels. Maybe 60/40 for the home team.

East Lansing has about the same capacity as the Saints and crowd noise wasn't an issue (it was at PSU's 100k+ NAMBLA rally)
Sims has an experience edge I guess... but 1 season as a starter isn't usually what people mean by "experience". Usually we're talking about multi-year starters. Cardale has been around just as long as Sims in a backup role.
I'm more concerned with whatever deficiencies the staff saw to put JT ahead of Cardale. My Scarlet-tinted glasses tell me to believe they didn't see anything wrong, they just saw JT's heisman-esque potential.
 
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kujirakira said:
I doubt crowd noise will be much of a factor in this game...
- NFL stadiums have significantly less capacity than some of the places these teams are used to
- Seating should be split pretty evenly - Ohio State travels. Maybe 60/40 for the home team.

East Lansing has about the same capacity as the Saints and crowd noise wasn't an issue (it was at PSU's 100k+ NAMBLA rally)
Sims has an experience edge I guess... but 1 season as a starter isn't usually what people mean by "experience". Usually we're talking about multi-year starters. Cardale has been around just as long as Sims in a backup role.
I'm more concerned with whatever deficiencies the staff saw to put JT ahead of Cardale. My Scarlet-tinted glasses tell me to believe they didn't see anything wrong, they just saw JT's heisman-esque potential.
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At least according to super early statistics, we were on pace for having more fans there. Don't have it now, but it was something like 21% of the stadium's seating were from Ohio and 18% from Alabama. So it was still very early, but should be pretty darn close to a 50/50 split.
 
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