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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

If the Buckeyes D-Line plays like it did against Wisconsin, then I like their chances. Seems to me, all season, the problem with the run defense has been that opposing O-Lines had been able to get to the second level. Against Wisconsin, our D-Line prevented them from being able to do that for the most part. Wisconsin has a long history of solid O-Lines, but it's not like Alabama hasn't shown it can move some earth up front either.
 
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Cardale (the number 3 guy) is a Redshirt Soph in terms of eligibility, but had his career taken a more direct path, he'd be a senior. Which is to say, he's been around quite awhile and has more maturity than his eligibility might otherwise indicate. True enough, other than the B1G championship game he had little work other than practice reps and mop up duty, but that said - when Miller went down in preseason camp, Jones was the #2 QB. Barrett earned the starting job over Jones mostly because the offense moved, quoting here, "a little bit better" with Barrett. While each QB (Barrett and Jones) do things differently, they are pretty close within the system as far as moving the Buckeyes down the field. Barrett, I think, is more accurate, but Jones has a big time cannon of an arm. I think Barrett has better touch on his short and intermediate passes as well, but Jones is good enough to get the job done, for sure. Barrett is a better runner than most people think, but he's no Braxton Miller. He's got more speed than Jones, but I don't think Barrett was a blazer.. more of a "game speed" guy. Jones would be more comparable to Tebow - that is to say - he's a huge physical specimen who is more of a power runner than a make you miss guy.

Of course, like most Buckeye fans I was thrilled with the way the Buckeyes exploded offensively against Wisconsin. But, I am not so confident that he'll be able to perform that way as a matter of course. For my part, assuming you're correct about Bama taking away the run - and assuming they can do so (As always, it'll come down to O-Line v. D-Line)- I think there's just not enough data to know if Jones will be able to force Bama to give more respect to the pass. I surely think he has the tools and ability, but again.. the Wisconsin game was just one game.

Well said. I believe Urban will probably scheme his offense the same way we did against Auburn. Read option with short dinks and donks for a passing game. That will keep the safeties honest and possibly set up a long ball from time to time. Our CB's are young and they become exposed from time to time.
This game is particularly interesting from the defensive standpoint. How do we scheme against an offense that has limited reps with Cardale? A month to prepare so we have no idea what Urban's offense will even look like with this guy. Only one game tape to scheme against any QB is pretty tough.
 
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Well said. I believe Urban will probably scheme his offense the same way we did against Auburn. Read option with short dinks and donks for a passing game. That will keep the safeties honest and possibly set up a long ball from time to time. Our CB's are young and they become exposed from time to time.
This game is particularly interesting from the defensive standpoint. How do we scheme against an offense that has limited reps with Cardale? A month to prepare so we have no idea what Urban's offense will even look like with this guy. Only one game tape to scheme against any QB is pretty tough.
Limited film, I think, certainly plays in favor of Ohio State here. I don't know that you'll see a remarkably dissimilar offense on January 1 than the one deployed on December 6, but there will certainly be some new wrinkles. I am not a football coach, but I would think that there are some cues - in reviewing a game film - and knowing your own team's exploitable weaknesses as to what to prepare for. Bama's staff will have to a little more guessing in this regard, rather than making more informed choices.
 
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Cool. To understand what I am talking about, Cyrus Jones is listed at 5'10". He's not quite that tall...

Brad Sylve is 5'11". Eddie Jacskson is 6', but often uses poor technique at the line and gets himself burned (Iron bowl).

Thomas is better in space than going up on 50/50 balls regardless of his height. His acceleration from 0 is what makes him dangerous.

If it becomes a game of jump balls it'll be Devin Smith that gets targeted. Dude has the best hands on the team, imo.
 
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Are the listed heights for these guys: Michael Thomas (6'3"), Devin Smith (6'1"), Jalin Marshall (5'11") correct? The reason why I ask is that Bama corners seem to have trouble with height. Kevin White (6'3" WVU), Sammie Coates (6'2"), and D'haquille Williams (6'2") all destroyed our slightly undersized secondary. It is my understanding that Sammie is closer to 6'4" and D'haquille is closer to 6'3". Apparently Bama's secondary is all an inch or two shorter than their listed heights.

Michael Thomas could be BIG trouble.
To be fair, most teams have a lot of trouble with Kevin White; he's the best WR in the country. But I agree, tall receivers have presented issues for the Bama DBs.

Evan Spencer is 6-2 and a VERY physical receiver. He doesn't usually get a lot of targets, but against smaller corners that might change. (Maybe the best blocking WR I've ever seen.) Not real fast or elusive, but absolute glue hands.

BTW, I've largely avoided this smackfest thread, trying to find the scarce sensible posts. But I think this is going to be one of the best football games most of us have seen. I really respect the Tide, and am very pleased we'll play them first. Whoever we (or the Tide) play next will seem like a pushover by comparison IMO.
 
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In the interest of detente, I would like to express my profound thanks for the curb-stomping Alabama put on michigan at night, on national television in 2012. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

I watched this game in Alabama. Bama fans were actually a bit nervous about this one. At least the ones I talked to. I kept telling them how bad the beating was going to be.

I heard a lot of "guess you were right" talk during and after that game. I can tell you that I wasn't shouting "B1G!" before kickoff. :lol:
 
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In the interest of detente, I would like to express my profound thanks for the curb-stomping Alabama put on michigan at night, on national television in 2012. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

You are welcome. The worst thing that Michigan ever did was run Carr off. He was a good coach. I know they are your biggest rival but as a conference you need them to be strong. Having Michigan St. carry the torch wasn't exactly inspiring. We all like our rivals to suffer but these long stretches of programs being a dumpster fire hurt the conference overall.
 
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You are welcome. The worst thing that Michigan ever did was run Carr off. He was a good coach. I know they are your biggest rival but as a conference you need them to be strong. Having Michigan St. carry the torch wasn't exactly inspiring. We all like our rivals to suffer but these long stretches of programs being a dumpster fire hurt the conference overall.
Those of us Buckeye fans who remember 1969 (when Michigan upset our undefeated and #1 team, 24-12), will never ever feel sorry for them. As long as Ohio State bodes itself well in the playoffs, we'll do just fine carrying the conference torch ourselves. When people think of the SEC throughout its history, the first team that comes to mind is Alabama...when they think of the Big Ten throughout its history, two teams come to mind: Michigan and Ohio State. We're working very hard on eliminating the former from that mindset.

Oops, back to the Sugar Bowl discussion...
 
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No offense intended, but... fuck the conference.
Fuck Delany for caving on bowls and homefield.
Fuck Wisconsin for losing 3 straight Rose Bowls.
Fuck Kirk Ferentz and Iowa.
Fuck the rest of the conference for consistently choking
Fuck the local media and whoever else votes for the silly participation awards.
Fuck Ann Arbor.
And especially fuck the pedophile enabling culture in Unhappy Valley - and the NCAA & Delany (again) for not demanding the death penalty.

With 4 teams, and 8 soon enough, conference strength is meaningless. FSU and Ohio State both proved that this year (not that the BXII is any better, though they seem to be stuck in 5 years ago)
It's not like being seeded does anything for Ohio State either. We can travel to Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona, or California... absolutely 0 advantage for us being seeded.
 
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When I was trying to google the answer, I found a few places that said it was expected that OSU would be more ready next year, so I thought that was the case.

The thinking prior to this season here in Alabama was that this year was a reloading year and next year would be a title hunt year, just like you guys.

We very well may get to do this all again next year!
Recruiting slid down the stretch with tressel.
08 & 09 - first time JT reeled in national rock stars. End result was a lot more busts.
10 & 11 - many recruiting misses and an explosion of attrition.
12 - tatgate, jt fired. Osu was toxic to nearly all decent recruits. The class was a disaster before urban landed 3 five stars, solidified another and brought in other talent. It was a late scramble so naturally there were some reaches or gambles that did not pay off.
13 - outstanding class, so many high level recruits who are already starting or contributing. Barrett , Elliott, Marshall, Smith, Wilson, Price, Lee, Apple, Conley, Burrows, plus two monster coups in Bosa and Vonn Bell.
14 - Another strong class of quality four stars, with the only five star redshirting but making huge waves in practice.


They were supposed to be a year away for a few reasons:

1) the defense was horrendous the last two years. Some of that was talent, some was scheme, some was development. You can't fix talent overnight, especially without the depth to provide options and competition. The scheme is vastly improved with our new DC and they have turned around the defense but they are still far from where they need to be.

2) the offense was run centric and lost virtually everyone. Braxton, 4 OL (3 starting in NFL as rookies) and Hyde plus a pretty solid WR in Brown.

3) the replacements were not experienced, if they had even played. The OL is a Hodge podge of low ranked kids or position switches outside of Decker. No one should have reasonably expected them to gel this quickly.

4) the depth simply isn't there yet. They only have one other legitimate option at DT behind the starters and none are a true fit at the 1 tech . They may finally have some depth at LB next year (this year is an improvement because they have 4 decent guys, there were multiple consecutive seasons with only 1 useful lb. This is the first time they have a real hback (Marshall ). Wilson played last year but was lost and scrawny. Overall they have added a strong crop of young talent but are essentially two classes into building a roster (with a few late additions in 2012 by urban and some sleepers playing well from the previous signees)
 
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To be fair, most teams have a lot of trouble with Kevin White; he's the best WR in the country. But I agree, tall receivers have presented issues for the Bama DBs.

Evan Spencer is 6-2 and a VERY physical receiver. He doesn't usually get a lot of targets, but against smaller corners that might change. (Maybe the best blocking WR I've ever seen.) Not real fast or elusive, but absolute glue hands.

BTW, I've largely avoided this smackfest thread, trying to find the scarce sensible posts. But I think this is going to be one of the best football games most of us have seen. I really respect the Tide, and am very pleased we'll play them first. Whoever we (or the Tide) play next will seem like a pushover by comparison IMO.
Spencer is incredibly physical and the best blocking wr in America. His hands are not very strong in traffic.

Thomas is solid not great on jump balls. His size is a huge asset at shrugging off tacklers and running through extended arms.

Smith is a lightning rod. He has a long list of huge, clutch plays, sometimes in spectacular fashion. He was not always the most consistent wr on the easy passes but he has really elevated his game there as a senior.

None of the other wrs are worth mentioning in traffic. Marshall is a beast physically but still learning some of the skills at wr. Smith and Wilson are slot dots with predictable results in physical coverage on 50 50 balls.
 
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