tsteele316
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NJ-Buckeye;2339199; said:
I assume you don't watch Orlando as the one thing they don't need is a center.
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I assume you don't watch Orlando as the one thing they don't need is a center.
It would be great if there was a way to turn the 4 picks into Porter and Len, but I don't think it's possible. Right now I don't really see a trade option that works unless it's a 3 team deal. There is no point for the Cavs to trade down for a first rounder next year since they need help now and any move back will be seen as another year of tank.
Hopefully Chris Grant can find the Kyrie Irving of this draft and turn the other 3 picks into another starter or key bench player.
I wonder what the Heat want for Lebron? :p
Hopefully Chris Grant can find the Kyrie Irving of this draft and turn the other 3 picks into another starter or key bench player.
I wonder what the Heat want for Lebron? :p
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
exhawg;2339326; said:
the only trade scenario that is mildly plausible that has been floated is trading with phx for marcin gortat and their #5 if Porter is still on the board. but even then I'd be leery.
don't get cute or stupid. take noel and be done with it.
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ArmyVet83
Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!
tsteele316;2339330; said:
Are you that high on Noel or do you have less confidence on the rest of the guys (Porter, McLemore, etc.)? While Noel has a high ceiling, in my opinion, he is a minimum 2-3 years from being a difference maker and by that time he will be close to becoming a FA. Best comparison is Anthony Davis this past season and he was more NBA ready.
I like Porter but not as the number 1 overall. IMO, I think he is a perfect fit for the Cavs but again not number 1 overall.
It would not surprise me if the Cavs took McLemore at #1, then pulled off a trade that would send Dion and a combination of picks to get back in the lottery and pick up a Center (Lin) or SF (Bennett).
And what they do not do in the draft they can make up for in FA.
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tsteele316;2339330; said:
Trading is the sexy thing to do though. It will be interesting to see what pops up between now and the draft. Does a James Harden type deal present itself? Kevin Love? Another player that is not on anyone's radar?
So you have to keep your options open, because really... Noel scares me. 7 footer that is 200 pounds soaking wet??? Comming off a knee injury on top of it that means he won't be playing til December at the earliest.
Heck, I don't like anyone in this draft. Porter??? He has a look of a glue guy that either is a 7/8th man that plays defense or the weak link of a starting 5. Do you pick a guy like that in the Top 5?
Kinda pisses you off that we can't pick McLemore. Or do we and say 'eff it'. Waiters becomes a 6th man? Or... a trade of Waiters?
The one thing about winning the lottery is it gives the Cavs ALL the options they can ever want... Now Grant has to find the best option and maximize this.
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AirForceBuck15
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What would be the collective reaction if the Zeller brothers were reunited in Cleveland?
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billmac91
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Getting the #1 pick is huge, in that it gives Chris Grant a ton of leverage. By all accounts, the Cavs organization has been the most thorough organization in the league since Grant took over. I think they'll really explore every avenue and end up getting the best value as they see fit.
I don't think Nerlens Noel is a sure-fire productive player in the league. He's the riskiest pick at #1 in some time. When you think of the good centers in the league, most have some type of offensive game. Certainly some guys like Hibbert and Chandler have developed theirs over time, but Noel really has very few offensive skills and I don't think there is a high ceiling for his game offensively. I also don't think he has the frame to end up being a guy like Dwight who just manhandles on the block. So there is a lot of risk there.
I also don't think Noel and Tristan make a great combo down low offensively. Tristan has made huge strides offensively, but throwing those guys out on the court together could make things harder for Kyrie and Dion. Mike Brown would love having those guys protecting at the rim though.
It will be interesting. I was somewhat hoping for an Otto Porter/Rudy Gobert type draft. A developmental big with a glue guy at SF. You cannot take Porter at #1 because the potential just isn't there, IMO. Grant has done such a great job though, that I don't think anyone should second guess whatever he decides to do. Again, anything that is ever leaked about the Cavs, is how hard they are to negotiate with because Grant is given an inch and he asks for another foot. I'll trust whatever they do, which is rare for me.....
I don't think Nerlens Noel is a sure-fire productive player in the league. He's the riskiest pick at #1 in some time. When you think of the good centers in the league, most have some type of offensive game. Certainly some guys like Hibbert and Chandler have developed theirs over time, but Noel really has very few offensive skills and I don't think there is a high ceiling for his game offensively. I also don't think he has the frame to end up being a guy like Dwight who just manhandles on the block. So there is a lot of risk there.
I also don't think Noel and Tristan make a great combo down low offensively. Tristan has made huge strides offensively, but throwing those guys out on the court together could make things harder for Kyrie and Dion. Mike Brown would love having those guys protecting at the rim though.
It will be interesting. I was somewhat hoping for an Otto Porter/Rudy Gobert type draft. A developmental big with a glue guy at SF. You cannot take Porter at #1 because the potential just isn't there, IMO. Grant has done such a great job though, that I don't think anyone should second guess whatever he decides to do. Again, anything that is ever leaked about the Cavs, is how hard they are to negotiate with because Grant is given an inch and he asks for another foot. I'll trust whatever they do, which is rare for me.....
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
ArmyVet83;2339334; said:
anyone the cavs pick in this draft is a minimum 2-3 years project. so, that logic for passing on noel doesn't fly.
i'm not uber high on noel. but you need to draft someone that is elite in some capacity. noel has elite athleticism and the potential to be elite defensively. his defensive metrics were actually better than Davis's at UK. Davis obviously has the better offensive game at this point.
nothing otto porter or ben mclemore does is elite.
that being said, if washington went batshit crazy and offered cleveland #3 (assuming porter is on the board) and an unprotected 2014 pick, then you may have to think hard about that.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
Piney;2339335; said:
noel played at 225lbs at UK this year, which is actually more than what the unibrow weighed.
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billmac91;2339345; said:
This. No matter what the Cavs do I'm going to shut my mouth and go with it.
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Brutus1
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I see on the Draft Express mock, it has Noel , then Pope at #19. I'd love that
combo of first rounders. Either way, I'm taking Noel. I'm not nit-picking him like everyone seems to be doing. I could care less about how bad his offense or how light his weight. He played at 226 at the beginning of the year and the easiest thing to do is put weight on a young kid.
Sure, he'll get pushed around alot offensively, but there will be no more of that bullshit guards driving the lane for easy baskets once he's parks down there. While his offensive game will take time, the defense will be there as soon as he steps on the court.
Take Noel at 1, then perhaps trade up if possible. Otherwise, take the best shooter available at 19.
I'm sure Andy can teach him the pick and roll. With his hops and athleticism, he'll contribute enough offensively. He also works on using both hands which I really love to see out of a quick guy playing low.
I like him as a big piece of this rebuild puzzle.
combo of first rounders. Either way, I'm taking Noel. I'm not nit-picking him like everyone seems to be doing. I could care less about how bad his offense or how light his weight. He played at 226 at the beginning of the year and the easiest thing to do is put weight on a young kid.
Sure, he'll get pushed around alot offensively, but there will be no more of that bullshit guards driving the lane for easy baskets once he's parks down there. While his offensive game will take time, the defense will be there as soon as he steps on the court.
Take Noel at 1, then perhaps trade up if possible. Otherwise, take the best shooter available at 19.
I'm sure Andy can teach him the pick and roll. With his hops and athleticism, he'll contribute enough offensively. He also works on using both hands which I really love to see out of a quick guy playing low.
I like him as a big piece of this rebuild puzzle.
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Brutus1;2339354; said:
I think if you went with Noel and Thompson you would need both of them to bulk up as much as possible. Neither could grow into a true center, but if they could bulk up enough to hold their own in the lane you could win a lot of games with that type of athleticism guarding the rim and running the floor.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
tsteele316;2339330; said:
i will pass on gortat...it was obvious he hated being in PHX last year and hated the staff and basically didnt care about playing...and hes also hurt alot it seems...im a fan of kevin love but hes also a guy your taking a risk on with his repetitive injury history...which leads me to what i would like the cavs to do which is also injury filled...id like to see them stick with the first pick and take Noel and also sign Oden...2 big injury risks but at least Noel is 20...the remaining 3 picks you can package for a higher pick, or you could trade for a veteran...they have alot of cap room and it would be nice to see Grant hit free agency hard this year especially to go after a SF...my main thing is i would rather draft a young player coming off surgery then to trade it for a Kevin Love who already has a history of injury and you will live with Oden as being a wild card and see what happens...Thompson with and Oden/Noel combo in the paint with mike browns defensive philosophy is a good combo
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AirForceBuck15;2339343; said:
Hey... if I can get Zeller at #19... sure
tsteele316;2339347; said:
What is there to think about? You take that every day and twice on Sunday.
You can still get Porter (who the Cavs still might prefer over Noel)... and then get a chance at an unprotected lottery pick in a potential superstar draft? DEAL!
But I would prefer a different team than Wizards do that trade. Cuz of the other top 5 picks, they are the only other team that might make the playoffs. Cuz how crazy would it be that we make that type of trade and made a 4-5 seed in the playoffs next year and whoever team we did that trade with had the worst record and there we are, the free agent year of LeBron and win the lottery again and be able to grab Wiggins and tell LeBron... sorry... we don't need you.
Yes... I smoked some really good stuff last night
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