2011 TSUN shenanigans and arguments (off season)

[sepia5]

I can take that.

I think my analysis of Wilson after the first game still holds true today - that is, some nice throws mixed in with some questionable misses. His two intentional groundings in back-to-back games were incredibly damaging, and he tends to get wide-eyed when the pocket starts to collapse.

All told though, he's lightyears ahead of the other options we would've had coming into the year, and he's been very, very fun to watch.

What's the QB situation going to be like in Madison next year?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

What's the QB situation going to be like in Madison next year?

Brett Favre's a free agent...

 

[Bucky32]

What's the QB situation going to be like in Madison next year?

They've got 4 viable options:
Joe Brennan (RS SO)
Jon Budmayr (RS JR)
Joel Stave (SO)
Curt Phillips (RS SR)

Out of all of them, Phillips probably looks like the best bet, but he's undergone multiple ACL surgeries and I'm not sure how much he's got left. Brennan has looked raw in his limited time this season; he's got a big arm but not much control. Budmayr looked unflattering in the spring game and doesn't have much of a shot. Stave was a walk-on and has the look physically (6-5, 220) and raised some eyebrows in the spring game. He's got a puncher's chance.

In addition, they also have Bart Houston coming in, a 4-star kid from California. I'd have to imagine they'll bring him along slowly and not throw him in there right away. He's the best recruit at QB we've had in a while, and he's got a chance to be something special.

So, in conclusion, it's going to come down to Phillips and probably Stave duking it out for the starting job. It looks to be a bit of a down year for Wisconsin next year.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Some on here were saying they'd take Persa, Cousins, Denard, Scheelhaase, and even early-2010 Taylor Martinez over Wilson before the season started.

I know hindsight is 20/20, but it's interesting to see how much that's changed.

I'll give you that a few posters on BP may have said that some (but not all) of those QBs are better than Wilson, but if more than the one poster who you cited said all of those QBs are better than Wilson, I'd be surprised (it was a pretty stupid statement when made and pretty evident to not be true to anyone who had seen Wilson play at NC St.).

 

[buckeyesin07]

They've got 4 viable options:
Joe Brennan (RS SO)
Jon Budmayr (RS JR)
Joel Stave (SO)
Curt Phillips (RS SR)

Out of all of them, Phillips probably looks like the best bet, but he's undergone multiple ACL surgeries and I'm not sure how much he's got left. Brennan has looked raw in his limited time this season; he's got a big arm but not much control. Budmayr looked unflattering in the spring game and doesn't have much of a shot. Stave was a walk-on and has the look physically (6-5, 220) and raised some eyebrows in the spring game. He's got a puncher's chance.

In addition, they also have Bart Houston coming in, a 4-star kid from California. I'd have to imagine they'll bring him along slowly and not throw him in there right away. He's the best recruit at QB we've had in a while, and he's got a chance to be something special.

So, in conclusion, it's going to come down to Phillips and probably Stave duking it out for the starting job. It looks to be a bit of a down year for Wisconsin next year.

Thanks for the analysis--very informative. I agree with the bolded statement, and I thought that would also apply to UW 2011, prior to them picking up Wilson. He's got to be worth at least a few wins for you guys this season--you may finish 10-2 and without him would probably finish 7-5 or so.

 

[Bucky32]

Thanks for the analysis--very informative. I agree with the bolded statement, and I thought that would also apply to UW 2011, prior to them picking up Wilson. He's got to be worth at least a few wins for you guys this season--you may finish 10-2 and without him would probably finish 7-5 or so.

Yeah, it's basically the same situation next year as it would've been this year. I don't think any of the guys I listed are good enough to get it done in the tough games in 2012 (vs. OSU, @ Nebraska, vs. MSU), but we shall see.

 

[jwinslow]

from EDSBS

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY"]Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Taosman]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPcod8IS214&feature=related"]Jabba's Laugh - YouTube[/ame]

 

[NFBuck]

from EDSBS

Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube

I bet he smells like rotting chicken and miracle whip.

 

[sflbuck]

from EDSBS

Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube

WOW....DYNAMIC

 

[WolverineMike]

from EDSBS

Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube

Even I thought that was funny

 

[generaladm]

from EDSBS

Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube

If he had muttered "Becca" a couple times, I would have sworn it was Corky from Life Goes On after chugging an economy-sized bottle of Wal-tussin.

 

[Beaver]

In response to a thread about "Dangerous Buckeyes", in contrast to how many are underselling them

**OSU's never had a lame duck situation like this one**
as far as I recall, OSU's never had a lame duck situation coming in like this one

we saw late last year the toll that takes ... even if it distracts a team by 10%, that's a lot

Yeah, it's really hard to remember a time a lame-duck OSU coach went into Ann Arbor

I know, it's been so long since we beat them that it's hard to see them as less-than-Supermen ... but they're like any other team, their dobber can go down and it has...

spoonfed wrote: This is one factor that I hope becomes reality. I am surprised that there are quite a few that think that we roll them this year. I'm still cautiously optimistic and I am looking forward to see if Hoke's preparation will keep them loose and give them an extra edge over the UM teams of the recent past. (Go Blue!)

Overall:
-- Ohio State doesn't have the edge anywhere actually, and certainly not in mental state with their year already declared a fire-the-coach failure.
-- THE KEY, as always, for U-M: not playing from behind early ... and behind that key is: first half turnovers, especially if OSU puts them inside their own 20 with it's kicking game.
-- If Denard turns it over in the first quarter and U-M gets behind somehow, then I'm worried. But - that didn't happen last week and it isn't gonna this time either. U-M will play from the lead and OSU will run out of gas as the second half progresses.
Michigan 27, Ohio 16.

Beaver has been beating this drum all week long, that OSU will quit if they get behind, that they've been overwhelmed by the coaching fallout, etc.

can't get Brady to spell it for us, darnit! So we don't know ... I do like the looks of ohio (italicized), but that's just esthetics

Michigan 27, Ohio 16.

it's ohio, not Ohio

Perhaps you should hire an intern to spell for you period, Thomas.

 

[Beaver]

More Beaver predictions

Overall:
U-M should be able to chase Miller around and sack him 4+ times ... and U-M is good enough on run-D to not get beat there.
Interesting that OSU is at the top in punting and in FG coverage ... so their best chance is to give U-M poor field position all-game.

However, Bottom Line -- unless U-M goes on a TO-spree (and they won't, they don't have to run a risky-O) Ohio should score around 20 at the most, and that's not gonna be enough for the future-Meyers.

So Boom & Braxton are going to be shut down, and Denard is clearly not going to turn it over much. Talk about overconfidence.

Tale of the Tape: When U-M has the Ball

(conference stats only 7 games)

U-M is 2nd in the league in scoring, 34.6 ppg.
OSU is 5th in the league in scoring-D, allowing 20.9 ppg.

U-M is 3rd in the league in total-O, 429.9 ypg.
Denard is tops in the league in Total-O, 243.7 ypg.
OSU is 6th in the league in total-D, allowing 342.0 ypg.

U-M is 2nd in the league in rush-O, 221.6 ypg.
Fitz Toussaint is 4th in the league in rushing, 99.7 ypg.
Denard is 10th in the league in rushing, 63.0 ypg.
OSU is 4th in the league in rush-D, allowing 147.9 ypg.

U-M is 4th in the league in pass-O, 208.3 ypg, and 5th in pass efficiency.
Denard is 6th in the league in passing, 180.7 ypg, and is 5th in pass-efficiency.
OSU is 7th in the league in pass-D, allowing 194.1 ypg, and 6th in pass efficiency-D.

U-M is 5th best in the league in sacks allowed, 13 (1.9 spg)
OSU is 9th in the league in sacks, 12 (1.7 spg)

U-M is 3rd in the league in 3rd down conversions, 49.0%
OSU is 8th in the league in 3rd down conversion-D, 44.2%.

U-M is tied for best in the league in fumbles-lost, 3, but is 2nd-worst in the league in ints lost, 9.
OSU is worst in the league in recovering fumbles, 2, but is 4th in the league in snagging ints, 8.

U-M is 11th in the league in red zone O, 76.3%.
OSU is tied for 2nd with U-M in Red Zone D, 73.7%.

What does it say?
U-M is better on O than OSU is on D ... except in the Red Zone and wrt interceptions.

**So, IMO ... The Keys To The Game will be with U-M on O:
--- U-M needs to run it -- and should be able to altho this will be challenging
--- U-M needs to throw passes in ways that Denard is comfortable with -- and should be able to since OSU doesn't sack-much ... and ...
--- watch the U-M Red Zone (when U-M is on O) -- this could well be The Key to The Game

What a deceptive spinster, as always. Is there a reason interceptions is missing from this list Tom? Could it be because that's a huge weakness on your squad?

1. Football
-- Having all this Meyer's Market stuff coming out this week ... it may buck-up their fan base, and it may send a recruiting signal 'all the way to Washington' ... but ...
... but imagine the effect on the current team, especially the current coaches - none of whom are liable to be there next year ... except maybe Fickle? (and imagine how THAT makes the other coaches feel as well) ... tough feelings to have to try to deal with and put aside ... it's not completely possible, is it ....
-- In a game like this, it's a game of small psychological edges that turn into the difference ... if one team is just sliiiightly flat or sliiiiightly has their 'dobber down' ... we know what that's like - this year the shoe is on the other foot.
-- This is good fortune for U-M and Hoke's crew -- and they will take advantage.

Better to just make up crap based on bleacher-report esque guesses then having actual sources on the team.


Could someone point out all the times OSU quit this year? Fickell (yes Tom, you should know how to spell the freaking head coach's name) has been on his way out the door all year long, and after Purdue that was basically a certainty.


They often didn't execute properly, but it wasn't for a lack of effort.

 

[Beaver]

A sampling of thread starting posts from GBW:

Posted: Today 9:11 PM
They don't know what's coming

There's no way OSU has any idea just how hard they're gonna get slammed tomorrow. They've been playing all year and they think they've been playing against the odds and taking everyone's best shot. They think they know what they're in for tomorrow but you can't know what a tornado is like until you've actually gone through it. UM is gonna put a beating on those guys they'll be thinking about for years. I have no idea what the final score is going to be. But I do know that the OSU seniors think that after playing against the SEC the last few years they know what hard hitting is. Tomorrow they'll find out that there's another level of ferocity that they aren't prepared for.

58-44-6 Will be the series record after a HUGE UM victory tomorrow!

There are a few people who haven't chalked up a win beforehand

I'm worried. This team has beaten us 7 straight times. Miller is a future superstar. All signs pointed to UM being pumped up to end Sparty's streak and we came out flat and got pushed around for 60 minutes. And OSU has more NFL players on its roster than MSU IMO.

I am very apprehensive. Not despondent though.

I am nervous because...

1) This senior class hasn't been competitive for a Msu or ohio game
2) Have played potentially their worst games in these matchups
3) Nervous that DRob might press more than a freshman QB
4) Nervous that the ref's F us again
5) Special teams will crater at the wrong time

I am confident because:

1) Hoke and coaches have changed the mentality of these players
2) We are a better team
3) On paper DRob vs Miller should be a mismatch
4) Our defense
5) Our house

Michigan winning by more than 10 is where my head is

The seniors going 0-8 against MSU & OSU is quite a huge monkey to get off their backs, no matter how much Tom tries to spin it as being on OSU's...