2011 TSUN shenanigans and arguments (off season)

[MililaniBuckeye]

I say this knowing full well the extreme risk of hijacking the thread to kingdom come in the wrong direction, but....

....if you want someone to tap into the minds of Michigan fans, Captain Planet ain't your guy. I'll do him lots better. Your counter there used to be an honest-to-god source of irratation to Michigan fans, but not any more. Why? Because we know for a fact that it happened last year with an uneven playing field: ineligible players, and that Tressel knew it. Which of course opens the question in folks' minds about how many other times the playing field wasn't level, either. NCAA penalties aside, I'd say the #1 intangible result of the [Mark May]storm is that Michigan fans really did used to grit their teeth and say "we gotta get rid of that counter" and now, honestly, nobody cares.

Quit your bitching. We beat your asses like a mule...period. We didn't need to actually "cheat" like DickRod did with extra practices (which obviously didn't help). You were, and still are, the far inferior football team...

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Seriously? Michigan's once proud fan base has been reduced to being excited about losing an L to its rival because the actual game played on the field might end up being vacated?

Now that's fucking funny. "Yeah, sure, you guys beat us up and down the field and in every phase of the game... but.. it doesn't count. Neener neener."

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm trying to induce more applicants for employment here at work. I'm offering them free tattoos as well. It's amazing how much of an advantage a tattooed lawyer has over his non-tattooed counterpart... or.. even his tattooed counterpart, so long as that tattooed counterpart was made to pay for his own tats.

 

[WolverineMike]

Seriously? Michigan's once proud fan base has been reduced to being excited about losing an L to its rival because the actual game played on the field might end up being vacated?

Now that's [censored]ing funny. "Yeah, sure, you guys beat us up and down the field and in every phase of the game... but.. it doesn't count. Neener neener."

not all of us

 

[HailToMichigan]

Quit your bitching. We beat your asses like a mule...period. We didn't need to actually "cheat" like DickRod did with extra practices (which obviously didn't help).

65 hours in two years. Average of five minutes a day. Sooooooooo much cheating.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm trying to induce more applicants for employment here at work. I'm offering them free tattoos as well. It's amazing how much of an advantage a tattooed lawyer has over his non-tattooed counterpart... or.. even his tattooed counterpart, so long as that tattooed counterpart was made to pay for his own tats.

Y'know....when you're being sarcastic like that but you include the line about "inducing more applicants," I think you're missing the irony.

Law firm A: We offer benefits A,B, and C and a salary of X.
Law firm B: We offer benefits A,B, and C and a salary of X, plus free stuff.

I wonder which gets more applicants.

 

[jwinslow]

65 hours in two years. Average of five minutes a day. Sooooooooo much cheating.

as well as staff members attending/running offseason practices that were supposed to be unsupervised. You sure are driven to bring up this weak sauce again and again.

Law firm A: We offer benefits A,B, and C and a salary of X.
Law firm B: We offer benefits A,B, and C and a salary of X, plus free stuff.

Yup, that's why you lost. Because Terrelle Pryor could walk around Columbus and get perks for being a player and Denard couldn't in Ann Arbor. That's as convincing as it is accurate.

 

[BB73]

Seriously? Michigan's once proud fan base has been reduced to being excited about losing an L to its rival because the actual game played on the field might end up being vacated?

They won't lose the 'L', that only happens with a forfeit. tOSU would just lose the 'W'.

I know it's stupid, the head-to-head records won't reflect the same number of games played if they vacate the win - but it's the NCAA.

 

[NateG]

They won't lose the 'L', that only happens with a forfeit. tOSU would just lose the 'W'.

I know it's stupid, the head-to-head records won't reflect the same number of games played if they vacate the win - but it's the NCAA.

In other words the counter still counts.

 

[Pheasant]

I say this knowing full well the extreme risk of hijacking the thread to kingdom come in the wrong direction, but....

....if you want someone to tap into the minds of Michigan fans, Captain Planet ain't your guy. I'll do him lots better. Your counter there used to be an honest-to-god source of irratation to Michigan fans, but not any more. Why? Because we know for a fact that it happened last year with an uneven playing field: ineligible players, and that Tressel knew it. Which of course opens the question in folks' minds about how many other times the playing field wasn't level, either. NCAA penalties aside, I'd say the #1 intangible result of the shitstorm is that Michigan fans really did used to grit their teeth and say "we gotta get rid of that counter" and now, honestly, nobody cares.

I believe that...really, I do.

If I wanted to tap into the minds of Michigan fans I would invite the delivery guy in for a slice.

 

[BayBuck]

Wow, the michbags are really coming out of the woodwork these last couple of months...

 

[Tlangs]

... If a player's ineligible, he's ineligible til the situation is remedied, not until he "would have" been eligible if it were brought to light when it should have. And they vacate every game the player played in. I don't see where the topics are different.

I really can't even follow what you are trying to say here. My point is fairly simple...The tat 5 would have been treated similiar to AJ Green for similiar infractions.

The AJ green situation in which he sold a game Jersey TO AN AGENT was remedied rather quickly by the NCAA and follwed roughly the same time frame as when JT could have notified the NCAA of possible infractions.

If Green can sell a Jersey to an Agent and get 4 games, I'm pretty sure our guys would have been on the field at some point before the scUM game last year...even factoring in a longer investigation since it was more players, our guys see the field in the first half of the big ten schedule.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

65 hours in two years. Average of five minutes a day. Sooooooooo much cheating.

That's right Einstein, include all 365 days of those two years to skew the advantage. Actual additional practice time would be around a half hour, if not more, per session in reality. And that indeed could make a significant difference. That is if you actually had a S&C program run by someone other than an overhyped chocolate milk guzzler...

 

[colobuck79]

That's right Einstein, include all 365 days of those two years to skew the advantage. Actual additional practice time would be around a half hour, if not more, per session in reality. And that indeed could make a significant difference. That is if you actually had a S&C program run by someone other than an overhyped chocolate milk guzzler...

That 65 extra hours of practice only amounts to 1 minute 4 seconds per day if averaged over the last 100 years.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Yup, that's why you lost. Because Terrelle Pryor could walk around Columbus and get perks for being a player and Denard couldn't in Ann Arbor. That's as convincing as it is accurate.

It's about recruiting, not performance on the field. Otherwise there'd be no problem with what SMU did and we could get our Final Four banners back.

That's right Einstein, include all 365 days of those two years to skew the advantage. Actual additional practice time would be around a half hour, if not more, per session in reality. And that indeed could make a significant difference. That is if you actually had a S&C program run by someone other than an overhyped chocolate milk guzzler...

Bout half an hour per session if the only thing you counted was the 13 weeks of the regular season, but most of the 65 hours were actually offseason hours. The NCAA was awfully specific about how they got to 65. They even counted, for example, 15 minutes in the entire week leading up to an MSU game.

And quite a few of those offseason hours were stuff that's common practice everywhere during every summer anyway, only usually without a numbnuts QC coach watching like he's not supposed to.

 

[jwinslow]

It's about recruiting, not performance on the field. Otherwise there'd be no problem with what SMU did and we could get our Final Four banners back.

So OSU bought recruits and that's why your losses don't count. You hid for two years to come back with this?

That's a neat - and pretty dangerous - way to change the subject... AGAIN.

The extra practicing and coaches at practice were to improve your performance on the field. Despite all of your promises to the contrary, Rich Rod did shred almost all of your high horses in Ann Arbor.

but most of the 65 hours were actually offseason hours

You say that like it makes it better.

The NCAA was awfully specific about how they got to 65. They even counted, for example, 15 minutes in the entire week leading up to an MSU game.

There isn't much extra time during the season. There's plenty during the offseason, which is why there are more limitations on the latter.

And quite a few of those offseason hours were stuff that's common practice everywhere during every summer anyway, only usually without a numbnuts QC coach watching like he's not supposed to.

I like how you try to pass off illegally monitoring and coaching practices as just a silly blunder.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It's about recruiting, not performance on the field. Otherwise there'd be no problem with what SMU did and we could get our Final Four banners back.


Bout half an hour per session if the only thing you counted was the 13 weeks of the regular season, but most of the 65 hours were actually offseason hours. The NCAA was awfully specific about how they got to 65. They even counted, for example, 15 minutes in the entire week leading up to an MSU game.

And quite a few of those offseason hours were stuff that's common practice everywhere during every summer anyway, only usually without a numbnuts QC coach watching like he's not supposed to.

So incoming recruits somehow knew that at Ohio State you get extra benefits.....but other schools you don't get them? Makes me wonder why we don't win the recruiting battle every year.

And how on earth do we get the message out to these kids without the rest of the world finding out until a random email gets discovered while doing a search for conference expansion.