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2010 TSUN offseason arguments & shenanigans

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Take that 2007 WVU team and name one Lloyd Carr team that they couldn't beat. Name one Michigan team EVER that they couldn't beat. Im not trying to hate on Michigan. Im just saying that RR built a monster of a team that could have beat anybody in the country, and he did it with nowhere near the level of recruits that Michigan traditionally gets.
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So, the 2007 WVU team, which lost at South Florida 21-13 (who went 9-4 and got jail-raped 56-21 by Oregon in the fucking Sun Bowl), lost at home 13-9 to a then 4-7 Pitt team, and barely beat a 10-3 Cincinnati team, could've beaten Michigan's all-time best team?

WVU beat up on patsies that year with White and Slaton, and then rode a wave of emotion after DickRod dumped them to ambush an unmotivated and flat Oklahoma team in the Fiesta Bowl. Now that White and Slaton are gone, how's WVU now?
 
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No, no, no, no, no. NO.

1. Yeah, our recruiting is horrible. If you're the most superficial of recruiting follower who only looks at stars.

2. The "RR being on the hot seat" angle is absolutely in play and is hurting us, but...

3. ...the idea that "excessive practice time" and "NCAA violations" is still being used effectively and hurting us. No. Just.................no.
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I love that I nailed this trainwreck the day he was hired. I didn't anticipate this level of awfulness, but I certainly called the lack of NFL talent he'd be able to recruit, and his system struggling in the Big 10. I only wish he were slightly more successful. He will go down as the "glory" years for Ohio State and all of the UM faithful will claim they wanted him out as soon as they hire Harbaugh or anyone remotely competent to take Michigan back to respectability.

One of my all-tim favorite BP lines: God Bless You Bill Martin, You Magnificent Sonofabitch....

Guy is like the anti-Andy Geiger.
 
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346984. Our time is coming and it might be sooner than
by wbbforever, 7/5/10 23:24 ET
many think. Just a guess, but a 5 turnover MICHIGAN TEAM gave a td to the bucknutties and only lost by 11pts. MICHIGAN had more time of possesion and only 15 or so yards less than the bucknutties ! ! ! ! " GO BLUE "
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This is the guy they're all hyped about being the "next domino to fall"...

Scout.com: Tony Posada Profile

*** FL OT Tony Posada...none of the Big-3 in Florida have offered, he's the #65 T in Scout's rankings.

Now, to expand on the post I linked above...I agree, that looking solely at star rankings is a silly way to judge recruiting, as a whole. Many *** kids turn out to be fine players...even the occasional gem. But, when pretty much your entire commit list and most of the guys you are in the game for are *** guys, you have a problem. That's a lot of "sleeper" type players you're counting on to hit. Again, it goes back to the way these clowns said blue chip recruits would be falling at rr's feet to play in his system at a program like m*ch*g*n. It isn't happening.

Those kinds of kids brought rr success in the Big East. It's not going to happen in this conference. The B10 is too big, too physical. That's showed the last two years when his teams wore down in 2nd halves and down the season's stretch...despite the apparently mythical Barwis magic.
 
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Now, to expand on the post I linked above...I agree, that looking solely at star rankings is a silly way to judge recruiting, as a whole. Many *** kids turn out to be fine players...even the occasional gem. But, when pretty much your entire commit list and most of the guys you are in the game for are *** guys, you have a problem. That's a lot of "sleeper" type players you're counting on to hit. Again, it goes back to the way these clowns said blue chip recruits would be falling at rr's feet to play in his system at a program like m*ch*g*n. It isn't happening.
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And what we all know is that if (under their next coach) UM starts bringing in 4 and 5 star players these very same posters will be screaming that such recruits prove the resurgence of the program.
 
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Jaxbuck;1726700; said:
That guy's definitely from the "I broke that big fuckers hand with my face" school of post mortem optimistic spin.
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That clown's comment and your response are summed up, for me, in last year's game when we ran the counter for a TD out of nowhere. It just had a feel like "we can do this any time we want fellas, but just for the hell of it... we feel more like punching the shit out of you."

I distinctly remember grad saying something exactly to this effect where the Buckeye coaching staff wanted to keep hitting Michigan till they quit. And quit they did.
 
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So, the 2007 WVU team, which lost at South Florida 21-13 (who went 9-4 and got jail-raped 56-21 by Oregon in the [censored]ing Sun Bowl), lost at home 13-9 to a then 4-7 Pitt team, and barely beat a 10-3 Cincinnati team, could've beaten Michigan's all-time best team?

WVU beat up on patsies that year with White and Slaton, and then rode a wave of emotion after DickRod dumped them to ambush an unmotivated and flat Oklahoma team in the Fiesta Bowl. Now that White and Slaton are gone, how's WVU now?
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Honu...you are looking at this all wrong.

What I read was that UM has never fielded a team that could beat the 2007 WVU squad that lost to South Florida and Pitt.

Think about that...let it sink in....

TSUN is a second rate program to the likes of WVU...and even in their best year ever UM could not manage to put a team forward that could handle 2007 WVU.

So UM hired WVU's coach. Now if UM could just provide him with WVU level talent..UM would be AWESOME!!!!111BBQ!!!!

Imagine the horror of waking up every day in the shadow of the WVU football program....wishing you could find a way to get to the same level as the 2007 Mountaineers.

Some programs hope for NCs...UM hopes to match WVU.

Me likey.
 
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All of this looks like their drivel at the beginning of last season.

They roared out to a 4-0 record and they were all beating their chest that "scUM is back!!!BARWIS!!!11!!"

How did that turn out for them? :wink2:
 
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All of this talk about the 2007 WVU team being far superior to any team Michigan has ever put on the field has taken its toll on one member of the 1997 1/2 NC UM team.

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It can be purchased now for $5,999.99 or you can make a bid. There have been eight bids made thus far, but the money offered has not been posted.

The auction closes on July 12 at 5:30 p.m.
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This is quickly becoming one of my favorite threads to read from a UM board:

The author titled it "Top 10 What-If plays of the last 15 years..."
Now the thread is more about UM's many choke jobs and fantasies, but that's just semantics...

Plays that did not go our way:
1. What if Crable is not called for a personal foul on the hit to Troy Smith and they have to punt? I submit we take the lead, win the game and beat Florida in the national championship. Carr retires and we hire someone else (other than Harbaugh or Miles).

2. What if Marquise Walker catches the touchdown pass that hit him in the numbers? I submit that we tie the game and end up winning it, thereby denying Tressel of his [kinda sorta] guarantee. Without the confidence gained from that come, OSU does not go undefeated in 2002 and we beat them in Columbus. We beat them again in 2003 and continue on owning OSU as we had up to that point.

3. What if Spartan Bob had stopped the clock as he was supposed to? We would have won that game and Bobby Williams wouldn't have had to shoot off his mouth about it being a "bad rivalry." Carr wouldn't have had to put the boots to him the next year and he wouldn't have been fired, at least not that year. John L. Smith never would have ended up in East Lansing.

4. What if Crable had blocked that little dude on the field goal vs Appy State? We would have made the kick and won the game. We still would have lost to Oregon the next week because they were just better. But we finish that season 10-3 and ranked safely in the top 10.

5. What if Burgess or Shazor had blocked the field goal vs Texas in the Rose Bowl? We would have won that game and been Rose Bowl Champs obviously. Henne would have already been a legend going into the 2005 season but I don't think it had really broad impact other than maybe it takes some of the luster off Vince Young's performance and somehow prevents them from winning the national title the next year.

6. What if Bocher doesn't try to rugby punt against Oregon and Iowa in 2003? We beat both of those teams easily and play Oklahoma for the national championship, beating them.

7. What if the center doens't snap the ball over Tom Brady's head against Illinois in 1999? Brady takes us down for the win. We finish the season with 1 loss and play for the national championship.
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and then some of the responses:

David Terrell bats down the Stewart/Westbrook Hail Mary pass

Tyler Ecker laterals the ball to Steve Breaston

Anthony Thomas doesn't fumble the ball in Evanston
granted some of those extend beyond the 15 year mark but still
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What if Drew Henson stayed for his senior year
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'02-O: What if Navarre hit Edwards in the end zone on the last play? This game was going down to the wire. Navarre was driving Michigan downfield on the last drive of the game. On the final play, Navarre fired into the end zone and Will Allen stepped in front to pick it off, game over, O goes to the [penalty flag] national championship vs Miami. What if he weren't there. Would Braylon's catch have created the biggest meltdown in O history? :)
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:scum4::rofl:

link: http://michigan.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=39&tid=134846343&mid=134846343&sid=883&style=2
 
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