2010 tOSU Wide Receiver Discussion

[cbrian815]

Can't wait to see Corey get the ball with some room to run. I keep seeing that Ted Ginn TD against MSU in my head...where Ted caught the ball on a slant over the middle and just accellerated right through and past the safety. Man, I think Philly might just be able to do that type of stuff too.

Hopefully, in the next 4 games, TP can get some level of comfort with at least receivers #3 and #4.

What happened to James Jackson....he is a world class sprinter. 6.8 in the sixty meters is faster than Denard Robinson. He was a 10.3 100 meters guy and a 21.2 200m. I was expecting big things out of him, maybe he is still learning the position. There is no doubt we have talent but a lot of it seems very young. Philly Brown, Louis and Jackson may be the three fastest receivers on the team. The future is bright.

One other thing to remember is in JT`s offense a lot of the passes are down the field and along the sidelines. He isnt real big on throwing short over the middle. This is also TP`s biggest weakness. He has trouble with consistently hitting the short and intermediate routes that require timing and accuracy.

We have Washington and Swartz as quality backups. It seems if we go 5 wide it is by using Stoneburner and running backs. TP will be running the ball a lot if one of our starting wr`s go down. It will be interesting to see who steps in up in the next few games.

I thought Swartz and Stoneburner looked good in week one....thought TP looked off in week two. Miami`s speed and defense will do that. Go Bucks

 

[CalvinistBuck]

One other thing to remember is in JT`s offense a lot of the passes are down the field and along the sidelines. He isnt real big on throwing short over the middle. This is also TP`s biggest weakness. He has trouble with consistently hitting the short and intermediate routes that require timing and accuracy.

While this may be a comment for TP's thread, I know many have speculated why TP has limited success throwing over the middle. At first glance, you would think his size and improved presence in the pocket gives him the kind of advantage that would facilitate such passing. Unfortunately, he still seems tentative (at times) throwing short, timing passes. I wonder if it is primarily a technique issue or more about the defensive alignments he typically faces. Miami often spread 4 defenders across the middle, making some of these throws much more difficult.

Being that this a football forum, I would welcome informed opinions about this issue.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

One other thing to remember is in JT`s offense a lot of the passes are down the field and along the sidelines. He isnt real big on throwing short over the middle. This is also TP`s biggest weakness. He has trouble with consistently hitting the short and intermediate routes that require timing and accuracy.

I don't know...Troy seemed to throw over the middle a lot. I think it's all about Pryor's comfort and JTs trust in him. I think we all know that our offense always goes, as JTs trust in the QB goes. Period.

I'm not sure why Pryor hasn't gotten comfortable with the short passes. During the game Saturday, the announcer said sometimes it's hard for the big QBs to throw that short pass. I don't know if that's it or not, but with a guy like Pryor who is so dangerous when he scrambles, you'd think that if they spread the field out with 4 or 5 wide, there'd be all kinds of openings in the passing game.

 

[BB73]

Whatever happened to James Louis? I thought he was set to be the next Santonio Holmes, and then I haven't heard anything about him anymore. Corey Brown seems to be the best frosh WR now. Sorry if this has been answered before

Louis was the offensive player of the week on the scout team. He'll be fine.

And if he is redshirted this year, he can still be the 'next' Santonio, who himself redshirted in 2002.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Not sure if this means anything but I was looking around the catch stats on ESPN last night and the number 3 WR in terms catches is tied between Taurian/Corey with 4. The two tight ends and Saine/Herron/Hall all had more catches. I never thought I would see the 2nd TE with more catches than the 3rd WR halfway through a season.

 

[matcar]

Not sure if this means anything but I was looking around the catch stats on ESPN last night and the number 3 WR in terms catches is tied between Taurian/Corey with 4. The two tight ends and Saine/Herron/Hall all had more catches. I never thought I would see the 2nd TE with more catches than the 3rd WR halfway through a season.

I consider that a positive in the the TE and backs are much more involved in the offense. So, while I'd certainly like to have an option that TP is confident with at the 3rd WR, I'm more pleased with how Stoney and the backs are involved in the passing game.

Meanwhile, Dane just continues to show what a dedicated and hard working receiver he is. Posey on the other hand, continues to show lapses in concentration that result in drops. I hope he can eventually move beyond that because he's damn good when he holds onto the ball.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Posey has been dissappointing..don't know what it is." Senioritis" has hit our program before ...

 

[FrancisSoyer]

Posey has been dissappointing..don't know what it is." Senioritis" has hit our program before ...

Does senioritis effect Juniors too?

 

[Rookie]

Posey has been dissappointing..don't know what it is." Senioritis" has hit our program before ...

Posey needs to work on his hands. He runs routes well, but there have been plenty of time where the ball is there and Posey doesn't come up with it. Last night I can think of two clutch situations we needed a first down and both throws were low, but those balls were catchable.

Not ragging on him. It's just something he needs to work on to get to that next level.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

Does senioritis effect Juniors too?

And as far as I'm concerned, Dane is the #1 WR on this team right now. Dedication out of this world. And he's from my home town!

 

[RugbyBuck]

Posey needs to work on his hands. He runs routes well, but there have been plenty of time where the ball is there and Posey doesn't come up with it. Last night I can think of two clutch situations we needed a first down and both throws were low, but those balls were catchable.

Not ragging on him. It's just something he needs to work on to get to that next level.

Many of Pryor's passes have a downward trajectory. It wasn't a surprise that those passes were low. Agreed, they were definitely catchable.

 

[Merih]

Posey was one of the most frustrating things about the game. It's as if he doesn't realize that Pryor is now able to go through more than 1 read. There were a few times where he didn't run out a route and as such the ball was too far in front. On one occasion he alligator armed it after not running through the route across the middle.

There was also a play where his field presence was missing; he was open and Pryor expected him to sit down on the route for a first down. He continued on without eye contact after his break in the route and didn't see Pryor throw to the open spot.



Now, with all of that said, I love the kid. He needs to be a big part of our offense, because Dane can't do it by himself. It's as if Devier is missing some focus this season, and it is showing in his play. His talent level alone is netting him the numbers he's had over the first portion of the season. We're going to need him to tune in and be sharp for the rest of the year.

 

[utgrad73]

Many of Pryor's passes have a downward trajectory. It wasn't a surprise that those passes were low. Agreed, they were definitely catchable.

I have been studying the catching styles for Dane and Devier and both take advantage of their size. Dane has learned to catch the ball as a slot receiver in some very difficult situations from day one. At 5'-11" and 180#, he gives up 20 to 40 pounds to many DBs but yet he remains focused and catches the ball. He's learned to catch Todd's bullet passes and Terrelle's low, high and slightly off target wobbling passes. In other words, he can catch every type of pass due to his size and training. Devier is our deep threat (lately Sanzo has done more of that this year) but due to Devier's height and weight, he tends to see more of the long balls where height and ball trajectory are an advantage. Devier also tends to almost always fall forward after a catch (like Hartline always falling down after a catch). Both were taller players. I think a more vertically challenge receiver has a slight advantage in catching low balls which TP seems to be throwing this year. A taller receiver has to reach lower and oftens misses the ball. They are both very talented receivers but IMO the shorter one seems to have the edge with TP due to his ball delivery. Just my observation - open for debate.

 

[generaladm]

I don't know...Troy seemed to throw over the middle a lot. I think it's all about Pryor's comfort and JTs trust in him. I think we all know that our offense always goes, as JTs trust in the QB goes. Period.

Troy to Gonzo on the quick slant was one of my favorite offensive plays of all time. Troy always hit him in perfect stride, which allowed Gonzo to find a seam between the defenders. Deadly inside the 15. That's exactly the type of play you'd think they'd try to run with Sanzo (or maybe Stoney).

I'm not sure why Pryor hasn't gotten comfortable with the short passes. During the game Saturday, the announcer said sometimes it's hard for the big QBs to throw that short pass. I don't know if that's it or not, but with a guy like Pryor who is so dangerous when he scrambles, you'd think that if they spread the field out with 4 or 5 wide, there'd be all kinds of openings in the passing game.

TP does look uncomfortable on short passes. I don't know if his length prevents him from fully extending on those throws, but the touch passes tend to sail (screens to Boom), and the heaters are usually at the WR's feet. I don't remember seeing many short throws on his HS tape, perhaps he's still needing some reps. I think it's also worth noting that TP has to deal with a LB spy much of the time, which effectively adds a short middle zone on obvious passing plays. I'd rather he not throw over the middle if there's any indecision.

Dane has earned all the respect I have to give by his play this season. He just goes out and plays every down like his life depends on it. He has a positive impact on every play, whether running crisp routes, making circus grabs, or blocking like a demon. In terms of heart and determination, he's on the same page as guys like Speilman, Doss, Krenzel, and Griffin, in my book.

 

[UpNorthBuckeye]

#12 was excellent in the Rose Bowl, too, including the quick slant a few times.

I think he caught 9 passes and I think 5 or 6 were first downs. That's where the money is.

Right now, they could use him to play some DB, too. Dude could do it, without a problem.

I remember reading in the Blade about his high school championship game, can't remember if they won or lost, but Dane threw for a touchdown, ran for one or two, interecepted a couple of passes and I don't know, punted and kicked, too.

And that was in a championship game, not in a total mismatch against inferior competition.

Right now, Saine is the #2 receiver, Posey #3.

And for all of the receivers, it would help them if they got closer to TP. Threw the ball around some after official practice. Hung out together, etc. Maybe the Wisky game will bring TP back down to earth.