2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[goblue15]

See, I'm the other way around. I'm kinda "meh" on Dileo, and really like Drake. His competition is top notch and he plays the exact same position in the same offense that he will at UM. And he's really shifty and has great quickness. He doesn't have blazing speed, but will make defenders miss. Dileo plays in a very low division, and he seemed to go down on first contact a lot.

Dileo from what I heard is just a flat out good "football player" we need more of those guys. I need to see more film on drake.

 

[TheIronColonel]

I guess it just depends on how much value you place on the other schools that have offered a kid. Tulane and Stanford are hardly LSU, Florida, and USC. Then again, we've graduated more than a few unheralded recruits who turned out pretty well (Hawk, Laurinaitis, Gonzalez, Jenkins, etc etc).

I think the more important criticism is that scUM is STILL recruiting receivers and scat backs, of which they have more than enough already. It's not a need position - why keep recruiting there?

 

[blueinfla]

I guess it just depends on how much value you place on the other schools that have offered a kid. Tulane and Stanford are hardly LSU, Florida, and USC. Then again, we've graduated more than a few unheralded recruits who turned out pretty well (Hawk, Laurinaitis, Gonzalez, Jenkins, etc etc).

I think the more important criticism is that scUM is STILL recruiting receivers and scat backs, of which they have more than enough already. It's not a need position - why keep recruiting there?

I think they're looking for better prospects that will "force" the others out. I hate that tactic and don't have a clue as to all the early offers on "questionable" prospects. But, I've got no say in the matter. I will put faith in RR and Co. that they know what they are doing. Time will tell who is right and wrong.

 

[NFBuck]

See, I'm the other way around. I'm kinda "meh" on Dileo, and really like Drake. His competition is top notch and he plays the exact same position in the same offense that he will at UM. And he's really shifty and has great quickness. He doesn't have blazing speed, but will make defenders miss. Dileo plays in a very low division, and he seemed to go down on first contact a lot.

How is he any different than Vincent Smith, Gallon, Toussaint, Terrance Robinson, etc...wouldn't that scholly be better used on defense? That's my point.

 

[blueinfla]

How is he any different than Vincent Smith, Gallon, Toussaint, Terrance Robinson, etc...wouldn't that scholly be better used on defense? That's my point.

Well, Vincent Smith and Fitz Toussaint are for sure RBs. I agree with you on Gallon and Robinson. Hell there is also a few others. I don't think they should be using so many scholarships on slots. But, as I've read a few places, RR will more than likely be using 4 receiver sets a lot, with the guys outside running a ton, so UM will need a bunch of receivers. I am concerned about ILB though. I'd like to see one DT in this class for depth.

 

[brutus2002]

#2 Punter in the country picks MSU...Michigan had better get Hagerup. Little brother continues to recruit well.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Well, Vincent Smith and Fitz Toussaint are for sure RBs. I agree with you on Gallon and Robinson. Hell there is also a few others. I don't think they should be using so many scholarships on slots. But, as I've read a few places, RR will more than likely be using 4 receiver sets a lot, with the guys outside running a ton, so UM will need a bunch of receivers. I am concerned about ILB though. I'd like to see one DT in this class for depth.

As silly as this question sounds, I want it out on the record books.

I'm not saying you were one of them, but there were a ton of Michigan fans who were tooting RR's horn about how he can adapt his system to fit his players. Can we officially call those Michigan fans clueless? Can we definitively say that RR is completely unwilling to do that? Those Michigan fans were dead wrong.....right?

 

[Jaxbuck]

As silly as this question sounds, I want it out on the record books.

I'm not saying you were one of them, but there were a ton of Michigan fans who were tooting RR's horn about how he can adapt his system to fit his players. Can we officially call those Michigan fans clueless? Can we definitively say that RR is completely unwilling to do that? Those Michigan fans were dead wrong.....right?

He did adapt last year. He tailored the offense to feature Zoltan Mesko's abilities.

 

[jwinslow]

He did adapt last year. He tailored the offense to feature Zoltan Mesko's abilities.

As a college runner, not an NFL caliber punter :p

 

[blueinfla]

As silly as this question sounds, I want it out on the record books.

I'm not saying you were one of them, but there were a ton of Michigan fans who were tooting RR's horn about how he can adapt his system to fit his players. Can we officially call those Michigan fans clueless? Can we definitively say that RR is completely unwilling to do that? Those Michigan fans were dead wrong.....right?

I think this whole adapting the system is/was blown out of proportion by both sides here. Was everyone expecting some major change (ie straying away from RRs bread and butter, the read option??? In my mind RR did adapt his offense to his QBs' strengths, as few as they were. Sheridan was a much better passer on the run (haha, he was on the run all the time, I know), so RR rolled him out of the pocket quite a bit. Threet was more of a drop back passer. I can't remember Threet rolling out at all.

I think the biggest thing UM got from last year was that this offense, with one returning starter, moved the ball really well at times. However, it only happened when the QB made correct reads and hit his open receivers. Threet even became an option to keep the ball against a great defense like PSU. UM was very successful in the first half against them. However, like in most every game in '08, the wheels fell off in the second half. Injuries are a part of the game, but they really hurt UM last year. Losing Minor and Brown at the beginning of the season, and one of the top OLs in Zirbel.

For all the lumps they took last year, UM will be better for it this year. Returning 10 starters on offense will surely help, especially with senior leadership from guys like Minor, Brown, and Graham and Ezeh on the defensive end. Anyway, I'm just kind of rambling on, so I'm gonna stop.

 

[schwab]

I gave a college try at digging through Pryor's thread, but I believe that somewhere in there is where I read that...

Fact: DRod 'told' him that "he" only knows how to run (1) offens'e.

I will leave a margin for error, as I am not (100%) sure. Here is my complaint box []. Please write legibly.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I gave a college try at digging through Pryor's thread, but I believe that somewhere in there is where I read that...

Fact: DRod 'told' him that "he" only knows how to run (1) offens'e.

I will leave a margin for error, as I am not (100%) sure. Here is my complaint box [Why the fuck am I paying $79 a month for you to guess at shit? Prick]. Please write legibly.

you have a message

 

[schwab]

you have a message

We donate, and donate, and donate, and yet no search function. Baffling.

 

[Jaxbuck]

We donate, and donate, and donate, and yet no search function. Baffling.

Just another case of the elitist pricks getting richer while the poor can't even get basic levels of search.

 

[SSS]

Archiving this post here, as I thought the numbers were interesting... this was in response to hyperbole from WVU Fanatic on Stadium & Main

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. First off all, RR's offense faced better teams than what are in the B10 in two bowl games (yes he didn't coach one) and his offense pretty much ran all over them.

Secondly, WVU's defense was actually very strong against the run. They had a few problems against the pass, but overall their defense as a whole was usually ranked fairly high

What grind are you talking about? Is it the open offense of OSU, PSU, Purdue, and Ill...or are you talking about the power running games of other teams?

You can say wrong as many times as you like, that doesn't make your opinion irrefutable. Georgia brought in a suspect rushing defense, and WVU's strength against the run was considerably less than you are trying to sell.

Let's look at the numbers against the best rushing teams:

2007:
Oklahoma 177 yds, 4.1 ypc... without their top back.
Pittsburgh 148 yds 3.9 ypc for McCoy.
Connecticut 129 yds 5.9 ypc 1 td for Brown. 15 for 67 for the backup.
Rutgers 142 yds 4.7 ypc for Rice, 37 yds 5.3 ypc for the backup.
E.Carolina 76 yds 5.4 ypc 1 td for CJohnson, 29 yds 7.3 ypc for the backup.

OU, Conn, Rutg, ECU all had plenty of success on the ground. WVU just outscored them on offense. Pitt was the only decent showing, and I still wouldn't call that a great game for the D. McCoy salted that game away on the ground and was jobbed out of another 10 & a td.


As for the other bowl game of the two you referenced, Georgia rolled up 224 yards rushing at 8.0 yards per carry. Three separate UGA backs eclipsed 7 yards per carry.


On the subject of bowl games, they also won a shootout in between the two BCS wins. WVU outpaced them on offense 38-35. Georgia Tech's RB racked up 169 yds 2 tds and averaged 6.3 yards per carry.

Other top rushing opponents in 06:

Rutgers - Rice 129 yds 5.2 ypc 2 td backup 39 yds 5.6 ypc
Louisville - Smith 73 yds 5.6 ypc 0 td backup 47 yds 3.9 ypc 2 td
- this is a bit of a stretch... there weren't many strong rushing teams that year in the big east.

In 05:

Louisville - Bush 159 yds 4.3 ypc 4 td
VTech - 214 total yds, 4.0 ypc 2 td marcus vick 6.2 ypc

Pitt not particularly great, but their backs averaged 4.5 & 5.3 ypc. It just didn't matter, as WVU destroyed pitt with their offense, winning by 32.
and the aforementioned 8 ypc by UGA.