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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

ochre;1529106; said:
Yeah. I re-read what I wrote and realized it didn't come across quite like I meant it to. I meant it more from the perspective of monitoring not being worth the risk of an NCAA infraction, because they would know from the practice results. I'm sure most staffs would very much like to be able to have direct roles in any organized/semi-organized "voluntary" programs. As an extension of that, if there is validity to the allegations, it could be implied that Michigan felt they needed to make sure players were "all in".

no worries, the point you touched on was very valid. for most programs its realistic to assume the risks would outweigh the possible rewards. with everything going on in scum land... fudging some rules may not be that bad of an idea. assuming they are guilty maybe the figured if your going down, might as well go down in flames.
 
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This game would be so much more interesting if they were both 0-1. As it stands now, we'll have to listen to the winning fanbase blather on about how they're back and their proclamations of impending doom (!!!!!11!!!1!!) for the rest of CFB. Fuck me.

I think scUM wins something like 24-20.
 
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jwinslow;1532277; said:
Agreed. ND continuing to win is much better than further struggles leading to a new competent ND HC. A replacement could easily win 10+ games in year 1 with all of that talent.


+1 more

As much as it will sicken me for Domers to win the battles this year I want to see them have their own personal 1994 and lose the war.

I am tempted to take that scUM +4.5 though. What do you think Josh? You were the one with the insight into scUM this off season and called the WMU beatdown.
 
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I'll throw my 2 cents in... This Michigan team is inexperienced and has freshman and sophmores playing everywhere, Notre Dame has no business losing to us. With that said this game is going to come down too whether or not Michigan can get consistent pressure on Clausen, if not Floyd and co will have a field day. On the offensive side, I look for Michigan to try and run the ball down ND's throat. Look for Koger and Webb to get the ball early and often serious mismatch with ND's Lb core their.
Game Prediction: ND 42 Michigan 28
 
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I can honestly see either team winning this, I just feel that Notre Dame is a more complete team at this point. Will Tater survive a day's worth of meetings with Te'o? Can UM stop a strong running game?

It's impossible to read these teams after week one. Both played utterly atrocious defenses. ND's defensive performance was more impressive than UM's, but the latter was expected to be much weaker.
I am tempted to take that scUM +4.5 though. What do you think Josh? You were the one with the insight into scUM this off season and called the WMU beatdown.
ND has three strong WRs. UM does not have 3 cbs to match, they have 1 talented vet, 1 talented but streaky youngster, and then a lot of guys who really aren't ready (Floyd, Turner, etc). Behind them are two young, undersized safeties. I look for Kamara or Rudolph to do big things out of the slot.
 
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jwinslow;1532307; said:
I can honestly see either team winning this, I just feel that Notre Dame is a more complete team at this point. Will Tater survive a day's worth of meetings with Te'o? Can UM stop a strong running game?

It's impossible to read these teams after week one. Both played utterly atrocious defenses. ND's defensive performance was more impressive than UM's, but the latter was expected to be much weaker.ND has three strong WRs. UM does not have 3 cbs to match, they have 1 talented vet, 1 talented but streaky youngster, and then a lot of guys who really aren't ready (Floyd, Turner, etc). Behind them are two young, undersized safeties. I look for Kamara or Rudolph to do big things out of the slot.

I don't know if I am reading your post correctly, but if you are implying that Notre Dame is a strong running team and that this will be a test for Michigan, you are sadly mistaken. Notre Dame's running game looked pretty pedestrian, as usual, against a very weak defense. Nevada had one of the very worst total and rush defenses in the country last season, and the absolute worst pass defense.

As far as ND's defense against the run goes, Nevada's RB's only got the football 19 times, and in those 19 times they ran for 115 yards for 6.1 yards per carry with a long of only 18 yards. This suggests that when Nevada was handing it off to the backs, they were able to consistently get 4-6 yards per carry almost every time. I am quite confident that Michigan will be able to do the same to that ND defense in the Big House.

I also think you have our CB's mixed up. To me it looked like we had 1 talented young CB (Cissoko) and 1 streaky vet (Warren). Cissoko played a much better overall game than Warren. By far. Warren was streaky in that game against WMU. Cissoko was covering WR's like a glove, and he was sticking the backs nicely in run support. Warren looked great at times, and he's a very talented individual with 1st round NFL potential, but he played too aggressive and out of control for a JR who has started since he was a true frosh.

Once Cissoko left the game with an injury, WMU was finally able to get some rythm in the passing game going, and JT Floyd and Troy Woolfolk got killed over the top for a 73 yard TD pass from Hiller to Nunez.

If we have any chance of slowing down ND's passing attack next week, Warren is going to have to pull his head out of his ass and step his game up big-time and Cissoko is going to have to get healthy. JT Floyd is not very fast, and ontop of that he looks out of position at CB. Floyd will get abused over and over and over again by Golden Tate if he has to start in place of an injured Cissoko.

I think next week you might start to see a lot of Justin Turner. Turner is raw but he's probably the most talented CB we've got on the roster, and that's saying a lot because Warren and Cissoko are both very talented players.
 
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I don't know if I am reading your post correctly, but if you are implying that Notre Dame is a strong running team and that this will be a test for Michigan, you are sadly mistaken. Notre Dame's running game looked pretty pedestrian, as usual, against a very weak defense. Nevada had one of the very worst total and rush defenses in the country last season, and the absolute worst pass defense.
I didn't word that very well. It should read a power running game. I agree ND is not a great running team, but I see them trying to pound it inside against UM to set up the playaction pass, or vice versa (like Weis did a lot with Darius Walker).
I also think you have our CB's mixed up. To me it looked like we had 1 talented young CB (Cissoko) and 1 streaky vet (Warren).
One game and Boo Boo is suddenly not streaky? Not buying it. Warren's "streak" lasted most of 08 (and it wasn't just injury).

For the record, I like Boo Boo more because of how he plays the game, which is a big reason Warren's first round talent has been missing a lot recently. I'm not sure quite how I'd word Warren's problem, but he definitely deserved a stipulation like Boo Boo.
If we have any chance of slowing down ND's passing attack next week, Warren is going to have to pull his head out of his ass and step his game up big-time and Cissoko is going to have to get healthy. JT Floyd is not very fast, and ontop of that he looks out of position at CB. Floyd will get abused over and over and over again by Golden Tate if he has to start in place of an injured Cissoko.
I'm curious what happens if they line up Michael Floyd in the slot (not that Kamara or Tate can't do serious damage). Do they keep Warren/Boo boo on him, and move Floyd outside?
I think next week you might start to see a lot of Justin Turner. Turner is raw but he's probably the most talented CB we've got on the roster, and that's saying a lot because Warren and Cissoko are both very talented players.
By next week, do you mean saturday or after ND?
 
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jwinslow;1532348; said:
I didn't word that very well. It should read a power running game. I agree ND is not a great running team, but I see them trying to pound it inside against UM to set up the playaction pass, or vice versa (like Weis did a lot with Darius Walker).
One game and Boo Boo is suddenly not streaky? Not buying it. Warren's "streak" lasted most of 08 (and it wasn't just injury).

For the record, I like Boo Boo more because of how he plays the game, which is a big reason Warren's first round talent has been missing a lot recently. I'm not sure quite how I'd word Warren's problem, but he definitely deserved a stipulation like Boo Boo.
I'm curious what happens if they line up Michael Floyd in the slot (not that Kamara or Tate can't do serious damage). Do they keep Warren/Boo boo on him, and move Floyd outside?
By next week, do you mean saturday or after ND?

I actually meant the week after ND. My bad on the wording.

In all likelyhood JT Floyd is going to get abused badly at some point in the ND game. Likely more than once. Turner might not have the defense down yet or be as good of a practice player as Floyd- who knows. Maybe it's a combination of the two right now. There is no questioning that Turner's skill set and talent is vastly superior to JT Floyd's though. If Floyd gets beaten like a drum, and I think he most definitely will, Rich has no choice but to give Turner a shot at it.

Turner's grades messed up his debut at Michigan. If he had qualified when he was suppose to then he's probably ahead of Floyd.
 
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mh20;1532356; said:
I actually meant the week after ND. My bad on the wording.

In all likelyhood JT Floyd is going to get abused badly at some point in the ND game. Likely more than once. Turner might not have the defense down yet or be as good of a practice player as Floyd- who knows. Maybe it's a combination of the two right now. There is no questioning that Turner's skill set and talent is vastly superior to JT Floyd's though. If Floyd gets beaten like a drum, and I think he most definitely will, Rich has no choice but to give Turner a shot at it.

Turner's grades messed up his debut at Michigan. If he had qualified when he was suppose to then he's probably ahead of Floyd.

The big problem with Michigan's defense is the depth. I'm happy with the starters except for our safeties and back up corners because they make me nervous. Our d-line and linebackers are going to be solid this year "IF" they stay healthy. The difference between their first unit and back up units are huge. If the starters go through the injury bug, Michigan's d is going to have a rough year. Our d-line needs to get to Jimmy to take pressure off our secondary. I'm hoping B.Graham and Mike Martin can have a monster game.

I also liked Michigan running out of the I formation and using their tight ends on Saturday. Hopefully Minor can play so we can pound him against the Irish and not put the load on Tate's shoulders. Michigan has depth with the running backs and hopefully the trio of Minor/Brown/Shaw can give ND trouble because all 3 of them bring something different to the table. It also looks like Michigan found their go to receiver in J.Hemingway so hopefully he can stretch the field for a big play or two. Stonum really needs to step up.

Michigan should start 4-0 if they win this game.
 
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I think the B10 has 9 bowl teams this year. I know thats above our alottment but I think its possible.

On the off chance this might be true I have made an appointment with my optometrist. I am having my eyes removed the middle of December.

I do not want to see the Big Ten go 1-8 in the post season.
 
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