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2008 vs. 2002 Position by Position Comparison (WR corps)

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2002 vs.2008 WR Corp

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But right now, we have to judge based on 2007 results
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So much of this is speculation for the 2008 squad - but perhaps at no position is this more true than WR where we have 7 Frosh and Sophs.

FWIW here is every receiver on the 2002 team:

* 3 Bam Childress - Redshirt Sophomore
* 4 Chris Vance - Senior
* 7 Chris Gamble - Sophomore
* 8 Drew Carter - Redshirt Junior
* 11 Mike Young - Redshirt Sophomore
* 12 Michael Jenkins - Junior
* 14 Angelo Chattams - Sophomore
* 17 Santonio Holmes - Freshman
* 23 Scott Petroff- Redshirt Junior
* 37 Jamal Luke - Redshirt Junior
* 82 Roy Hall - Freshman
* 84 John Hollins - Redshirt Sophomore
* 86 Maurice Lee - Redshirt Junior
 
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Its completely fair to say anyone after those three for the '08 team haven't done anything yet because, well, they haven't.
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This will be even more of a problem for these polls as we move into the OL and DL.

I started an ill fated thread not long ago asking how folks thought our upperclassmen would fare against our Frosh and incoming recruits. The point I was chasing is that even as we prepare for a season rated #1 or 2 in the country the talent coming in at the back end is better on paper than what we have now. But that bias towards those incoming players makes this poll - as fun as it is - problematic.
 
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ShakerBuck;1204729; said:
Gamble is in the NFL but at another position,

Drew Carter produced very little in '02 (only had 8 total catches until his senior year)...but agreed without injuries he is afield stretching wr

Gamble had what 1 TD catch in '02? (more sizzle than steak as a WR)...hartline has produced far more than Gamble

and Vance produced little as well in '02

part of lack of production due to the QB not talent, but i don't think it is fair to say the '08 guys haven't proven anything, when the top 4 have generated an equal amount of productivity, and we have much more depth to speak of
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Gamble had 0 receiving TDs in 02. He had 1 INT return TD against PSU, and a 43yd rush TD against Indiana. Pretty odd, considering how much talent he had. He had no TDs in 03, although he was more of a full time CB that year.

In 02, Vance had 13 catches for 178yds and 3 TDs. Carter 10 for 147. Comparing Vance/Carter with Small/Sanz, Carter: 557 yds in 02-03 (147+410); Small: 335 yds in 06-07(68+267); Vance 170 in 02; Sanz 89 in 07. Season passing totals: 2425 in 02; 2565 in 07. Not a huge difference. Boeckman did a better job of spreading the ball around than Krenzel, who threw 30 more completions to Jenkins than Gamble (07 Robo had 3 more than Hartline).
 
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Oh8ch;1204766; said:
This will be even more of a problem for these polls as we move into the OL and DL.

I started an ill fated thread not long ago asking how folks thought our upperclassmen would fare against our Frosh and incoming recruits. The point I was chasing is that even as we prepare for a season rated #1 or 2 in the country the talent coming in at the back end is better on paper than what we have now. But that bias towards those incoming players makes this poll - as fun as it is - problematic.
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Agree with you, thats a very common theme.

If some of these guys would have been around for the D'Andrea hype we would have had polls asking if he was better than Gradishar, Cousino, Marek or Speilman.

Its getting into "Da Bears" territory for me with some of this stuff.
 
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Oh8ch;1204766; said:
This will be even more of a problem for these polls as we move into the OL and DL.

I started an ill fated thread not long ago asking how folks thought our upperclassmen would fare against our Frosh and incoming recruits. The point I was chasing is that even as we prepare for a season rated #1 or 2 in the country the talent coming in at the back end is better on paper than what we have now. But that bias towards those incoming players makes this poll - as fun as it is - problematic.
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To me, the OL and DL threads will be even easier than the RB thread.

OL: 2008 by a country mile
DL: 2002 by a country light-year
 
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Jaxbuck;1204759; said:
Gamble played both ways in 2002 plus special teams, he didn't get near as many offensive plays as Hartline did. He had a higher YPC and was within 200 yds of Hartline on 20 or so less catches.
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Gamble only played D during the 2nd half of the year....and if the fact that he got less offensive plays because of his duty on Defense, than that factors into to the comparison

he did have a higher ypc, but didn't find the endzone once in 30 catches (hartline 6 tds)

Hartline played on special teams as well...coverage team and punt returns

Hartline is at least equal to Gamble as a receiver (when Gamble plays Defense as well)
 
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ShakerBuck;1204779; said:
Gamble only played D during the 2nd half of the year....and if the fact that he got less offensive plays because of his duty on Defense, than that factors into to the comparison

he did have a higher ypc, but didn't find the endzone once in 30 catches (hartline 6 tds)

Hartline played on special teams as well...coverage team and punt returns

Hartline is at least equal to Gamble as a receiver (when Gamble plays Defense as well)
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Hartlines raw prodcution numbers were slightly better than Gambles because Gamble played both ways. There is zero doubt in my mind who the more explosive athlete was. In fact I'd be willing to wager that if Gamble never played a down on defense he'd still be in the NFL.

Hartline is a very good route runner/#2 possesion receiver type. Gamble was a potential game breaker.
 
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I think we're going down an impossible road at this point. It's really hard to compare the '02 offense to the '08 offense b/c it was, as a whole, used so differently, particularly at the QB/WR positions. The best player on the '02 offense was a freshman that was in-and-out with injuries. We had a QB that was as clutch as they come and every bit as smart, but probably didn't have the natural ability with his arm that even Boeckman has. We had a defense that year that was capable of winning games on its own, even against the best offenses in the country. We had the best kicker combo in the country. Tress was perfectly willing to sit back and win games w/ low-risk offensive play calling and field position. Comparing stats between the two respective WR-cores really isn't going to be too telling. It's probably best to look at both groups collectively and pick which you'd rather go with. This is the closest call for me so far (having selected Krenzel and the '08 backs in the previous two polls), but I like a starting 3 headlined by Jenkins and Gamble over Robo and Hartline any day. Just my opinion.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1204789; said:
and if Gamble were on this year's Buckeye team, he'd still play both ways.
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I don't believe that for a second.

He ended up at CB because there was a massive hole at CB.

That isn't the case this year.

Jenkins, Washington, Chekwa, Amos > Fox, Underwood, Britton, Salley

...by a pretty wide margin. There would be no need to move Gamble as an emergency replacement.

Heck if McNutt had been physically able to play Gamble may not have been moved in 02.
 
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Muck;1204843; said:
I don't believe that for a second.

He ended up at CB because there was a massive hole at CB.

That isn't the case this year.

Jenkins, Washington, Chekwa, Amos > Fox, Underwood, Britton, Salley

...by a pretty wide margin...
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I agree that 08 CB talent > > 02 CB talent.

But Gamble > > anyone but Jenkins. Whether or not that is worth having him play both ways is up to the coach; but it's a hypthetical that will likely never be asked of him, and he'd probably never give a straight answer anyway.
 
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