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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
ESPN - Florida Gators could be missing two defensive lineman against Florida State Seminoles
GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida could be without two defensive lineman against
rival Florida State on Saturday.
Lawrence Marsh and Matt Patchan injured their left knees during Saturday's
70-19 victory over The Citadel. Coach Urban Meyer said Sunday that Patchan
would not play against the Seminoles and called Marsh questionable for the game.
GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida could be without two defensive lineman against
rival Florida State on Saturday.
Lawrence Marsh and Matt Patchan injured their left knees during Saturday's
70-19 victory over The Citadel. Coach Urban Meyer said Sunday that Patchan
would not play against the Seminoles and called Marsh questionable for the game.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
jwinslow;1336666; said:
Depends on the game. If we get out of the blocks quickly like our recent habit, and put some points on them, it is not as big a deal. I dread a time consuming ground game from them, with the threat of the home run when they are in their five wide sets. We do well against the run, but we need to substitute guys, as we have no dominent DTs. We can wear you down with substitutions, especially a youngish FSU O line, if we can keep changing guys. That might be a problem now.
If we fast start and force them into a passing mode, we should get some pics. Ponder is a good kid, but still learning. But if we let them get confidence, the crowd start that annoying chop whine thing, and our d-line is kept on the field, we could give up some points, maybe turn it over, and then who the hell knows.
Rivalry game. Their place. Just like in 97 when we kept the Noles out of the MNC game when Spurrier changed qbs everydown, weird shit happens.
FSU is not great, but they are not 08 Michigan. They are now ranked, and just finished crushing a ranked team at their (Maryland) house on Saturday, scoring a bunch of points and holding the turtles to a field goal.
We should win, but then, we should have beaten Ole Piss. They are similar teams, with Miss having a better qb and FSU a better defense and receiver corp.
This one has my attention.
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billmac91
Head Coach
Gatorubet;1336672; said:
Just my .02.
I'm honestly smiling ear to ear for this game. FSU has ZERO to lose going into this game. Nobody expects them to win, and it will have zero impact on their bowl game situation. This game is soley to ruin UF's title chances.
I don't think you need to be worried about the run game so much. Antone Smith lacks top-end speed, and really relies on the passing game to get going. FSU is the definition of a team that needs to throw to set-up the run. I will give credit to Antone for his short yardage running this year. He is a little slippery, and he'll turn sideways to make a 2 yard gain 4 or 5 yards. But he isn't going to hit the homerun, which allows defenses to creep up to the line a little bit. I think theres a perception out there of Antone being a blazer, but it's completely off-base.
Ponder is tricky because some games he comes out and hits every bubble screen and throws great deep balls. Other games he can't connect on a screen pass. When Ponder is off, the FSU offense obviously suffers BADLY.
The FSU receiving core is very underrated. Individually, all of these guys have major flaws, but collectively they work very well. Jimbo Fisher has really put together a nice combination of guys that are difficult to defend. If Ponder is on, he is hitting Preston Parket and Bert Reed on tons of bubble screens and underneath routes. If those passes are hitting, it opens up the deep throws to Greg Carr and Correy Surrency. I really like Surrency in this game. Correy has been used in many jump ball situations this year, and he pin-points the ball extremlely well... unfortunately he hasn't been able to finish the play. I really think Correy is going to be a difference maker on Saturday.
The FSU O-line has to be the youngest in the nation. It is ALL fresh and sophmores. Ohio O-lineman Zebrie Sanders anchors the left side and has had a nice year. Again, they go as Ponder goes. If Ponder loses his confidence, he starts the scramble drills instead of staying in the system. The offense is built for quick hitters, so if you see Ponder sitting in the pocket, it generally means trouble. Even on deep throws, Ponder is supposed to hit his back foot, and put tons of air under the ball. Nothing in the system revolves around pocket protection. If UF is getting to him, it means the secondary is covering well and Ponder doesn't trust his throws.
Defensively, Tebow will create a lot of problems. Gator said FSU's D is better than Ole [censored]s. This is the worst tackling defense I have ever seen under Mickey Andrews. The cornerbacks are awful in space, the linebackers are undersized and not as fast as you'd expect, and the D-line has been solid, but again...very undersized. This isn't the raw talent FSU defense most are used to seeing. UF will get their points....I just hope Mickey Andrews is capable of getting to Tebow with multiple blitz looks. If FSU wins, it's because they control the clock, and keep UF off the field. Percy Harvin in space will be an absolute massacre.
I really do like FSU's chances though. Perhaps Gator can give a good breakdown of the UF secondary and overall strengths and weaknesses. I know I view UF's secondary as a relative weakness...lots of youth and inexperience.
And if it's an indication, the game is being televised by ABC. I really do think Gary Danielson is one of the better minds out there in regards to college football, but I am soooooo happy I won't have to listen to him slobber all over Tebow throughout the telecast.
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Palpie
Legend
Gatorubet;1336672; said:
Normally I pull for UF in this game to piss off my sister, but she's got my niece and nephew brainwashed for now and they'd be sad if the criminoles* lost. So go FSU!**
The bold part is why UF is a lock. ACC teams lose the week after they get ranked this year. I don't know the exact record but it is horrible. I was really hoping Tech would stay out of the rankings until after we played the leg humpers for that exact reason.
*exactly why does BP think criminoles is misspelled?
**also we can't have UF win a second BCS NC before OSU does
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Palpie
Legend
There are a lot fewer Texas and OK fans in Atlanta than UF fans. And fans of other big12 teams won't act like their team also won the title if a big 12 team does, which we all know every vandy, old piss and even uga fans will act like an SEC team winning means their shitty teams got a piece of the NC too.Gatorubet;1336845; said:
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
Palpie;1336968; said:
Probably because we do. When an SEC team gets into the title game it means more money shared amongst the conference. Also - the success of other teams in our league directly impacts our revenue stream and the demand associated with our tickets and the amount we can demand for TV moeny.
We've had the defending national champs on our schedule the past two years - probably have them on the schedule again next year. It's great for the conference and should be celebrated by all its members.
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generaladm
Legend
I thought this was interesting. From CFN's rankings for this week:
So, is the Big 12 the only conference that doesn't flat out suck now? What happens if Texas Tech, Missouri, and Texas fall off next year, will the entire college football world be one giant ball of suckitude? Seems to me like the sports media has become too preoccupied with condemning entire conferences when a top team has the audacity to lose one game. Considering that the CFN staff saw fit to rank 3 SEC teams among the top 12 in Div 1A (second only to the Big 12), including the #1 team, it seems odd that they would make such a point to bash the entire conference. Granted, they are down a bit from the last few years, and maybe the realization has set in that the preseason predictions for Auburn, SC, UT, and Ole Miss have been wildly overblown for the last 5 years; or perhaps, the belicose grandstanding of underachieving assbags like Tuberville and Spurrier have only served to call attention to how inflated the perception of the SEC had become, but the SEC is solidly one of the top 3 conferences, with an argument for the top spot. I'm inclined to think that this may be, in some way, an extension of all the "weak Big Ten" talk of the past two years. When it becomes accepted to discredit an entire conference because of a few high profile losses, then it becomes all to easy jump to the s word when describing any conference that can't boast and undefeated national champion every year. I find it ridiculous that sports analysts have resorted to oversimplifying everything with extremist rhetoric. What ever happened to describing the SEC as supremely mediocre?
Oh, and then there was this:
(emphases mine)
So, is the Big 12 the only conference that doesn't flat out suck now? What happens if Texas Tech, Missouri, and Texas fall off next year, will the entire college football world be one giant ball of suckitude? Seems to me like the sports media has become too preoccupied with condemning entire conferences when a top team has the audacity to lose one game. Considering that the CFN staff saw fit to rank 3 SEC teams among the top 12 in Div 1A (second only to the Big 12), including the #1 team, it seems odd that they would make such a point to bash the entire conference. Granted, they are down a bit from the last few years, and maybe the realization has set in that the preseason predictions for Auburn, SC, UT, and Ole Miss have been wildly overblown for the last 5 years; or perhaps, the belicose grandstanding of underachieving assbags like Tuberville and Spurrier have only served to call attention to how inflated the perception of the SEC had become, but the SEC is solidly one of the top 3 conferences, with an argument for the top spot. I'm inclined to think that this may be, in some way, an extension of all the "weak Big Ten" talk of the past two years. When it becomes accepted to discredit an entire conference because of a few high profile losses, then it becomes all to easy jump to the s word when describing any conference that can't boast and undefeated national champion every year. I find it ridiculous that sports analysts have resorted to oversimplifying everything with extremist rhetoric. What ever happened to describing the SEC as supremely mediocre?
Oh, and then there was this:
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Palpie
Legend
That's a bunch of bull, confrences get more money when a second team gets into the BCS, going to and winning or losing the NC game means nothing to anyone except the teams that actually make it. Florida and LSU won NCs. The rest of the SEC won jack and [censored]. This confrence pride crap is idiotic. UGa doesn't suck any less today or last year or for the last 28 years because they happen to occasionally have the team that wins the NC on the schedule. But I guess with just 1980 to comfort you clinging to the accomplishments of better programs is all you have. That and women's gymnastics.BigWoof31;1336979; said:
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
Palpie;1337788; said:That's a bunch of bull, confrences get more money when a second team gets into the BCS, going to and winning or losing the NC game means nothing to anyone except the teams that actually make it. Florida and LSU won NCs. The rest of the SEC won jack and [censored]. This confrence pride crap is idiotic. UGa doesn't suck any less today or last year or for the last 28 years because they happen to occasionally have the team that wins the NC on the schedule. But I guess with just 1980 to comfort you clinging to the accomplishments of better programs is all you have. That and women's gymnastics.
You clearly have an axe to grind - so I'll just back away and let you grind it. I'm not sure what UGA or Dawg fans did to you to make you so angry -but I say to you honestly, I'm sorry for it.
However, I will add this: You seem to be a big buckeye fan. Die hard to the core - that's great! It was not so long ago that Ohio State had quite a few years between National Championships in football. 30+ years if I'm not mistaken. Do you remember how that felt?
Please try to consider that before you take things so personally and attack with such anger. I've come to expect more from BP - don't be a disappointment.
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BigWoof31;1337857; said:
Woof - good response to an attack that seems unwarranted.
It may not have been anything specific to UGA that set that off - most of us really don't get the 'S-E-C' chant.
I'll pull for TSUN against Ntre Ame and other non-conference opponents, and for other Big Ten teams in their non-conference games; it's good for tOSU's SOS and computer rankings, which is part of the game in the BCS system of college football. But every decision for me us based on what's better for tOSU - I usually root for TSUN to lose their bowl game (a moot point this year
), in order to dampen their recruiting a little. I'll pull for most Big Ten teams in their bowl games; in order for the general impression of the conference's reputation; but I can't see myself yelling 'Big Ten' when tOSU wins another NC game, unless it's to mock the 'S-E-C' chants that tSU fans remember from the last two Title games.
Wouldn't you have smiling from ear-to-ear if The Citadel had won last week? In a way that Appalachian State or Toledo gave a national embarrassment to the heated rival to up north? If Florida makes the Title game this year, will you be rooting for them due to SEC pride, or actually hoping they lose - dreading that another NC will make them more of a juggernaut that's likely to extend their (since 1990) dominance of the WLOCP, making it more difficult for the Dawgs to win another NC?
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TheIronColonel
Hall of Fame
I can really see both sides of this argument. I, for one, despise the 'SEC' chant nonsense that we've seen for the past two seasons. South Carolina fans chanting 'SEC' after a big victory over NC State is just 'me-too' bullshit that fans of a crappy football team are using to attach some kind of hope to their otherwise doomed season.
On the other hand, the notion that consistently good post-season play by members of the conference helps with recruiting definitely has legs, so long as it's relatively uniform (e.g. USC ape-raping the PAC 10 repeatedly does not help Arizona State to recruit).
That being said, there's no financial advantage to the SEC for Florida to win the championship above and beyond the BCS money (which they would get even if Florida made the game and lost). It's possible that the SEC as a whole benefits financially from the ESPN deal as a result of the aforementioned consistently good post-season play, but several studies (links to which currently elude me) have shown that the Big Ten actually makes more money annually from the Big Ten network than the SEC will get under their new contract; to wit, the 'down' Big Ten is financially ahead of the 'up' SEC. Similarly, the ESPN contract is already signed; such a victory would not have any effect in the short-term.
In more general terms, as a fan, I find the 'I have 12 teams' concept to be utter rubbish. While I don't root against other Big Ten teams during out-of-conference play (primarily because their good performances help tOSU's SOS), I also don't chant 'Big Ten' when, for example, Michigan beats Florida. The glib counterargument is obviously 'well of course, the Big Ten always loses OOC games LOL', but such an argument manages to be both inflammatory and wrong (see: the Big Ten versus the SEC in the 2005-2006 bowl seasons).
I guess the question, to me, is that were the shoe on the other foot, how I would react to another Big Ten team winning the MNC. This year it looked like Penn State might have a shot; I was pulling for them for a multitude of reasons; 1) that Joe Paterno might retire with some dignity if they won it all, 2) that they've gotten jobbed in the past despite finishing unbeaten, and 3) that I have a number of friends who mistakenly got degrees from the State Penn. However, I don't attach any kind of significant conference pride or self worth to this hypothetical accomplishment. Penn State would have won the MNC, not tOSU and not the Big Ten. It benefits OSU only in that a strong Penn State helps OSU's SOS. Nothing else.
Consequently, I don't see any reason that Georgia would benefit from a Florida national title. On the other hand, I don't think that it's impossible to make an argument that Georgia benefits from a Florida victory; I simply disagree, that's all.
On the other hand, the notion that consistently good post-season play by members of the conference helps with recruiting definitely has legs, so long as it's relatively uniform (e.g. USC ape-raping the PAC 10 repeatedly does not help Arizona State to recruit).
That being said, there's no financial advantage to the SEC for Florida to win the championship above and beyond the BCS money (which they would get even if Florida made the game and lost). It's possible that the SEC as a whole benefits financially from the ESPN deal as a result of the aforementioned consistently good post-season play, but several studies (links to which currently elude me) have shown that the Big Ten actually makes more money annually from the Big Ten network than the SEC will get under their new contract; to wit, the 'down' Big Ten is financially ahead of the 'up' SEC. Similarly, the ESPN contract is already signed; such a victory would not have any effect in the short-term.
In more general terms, as a fan, I find the 'I have 12 teams' concept to be utter rubbish. While I don't root against other Big Ten teams during out-of-conference play (primarily because their good performances help tOSU's SOS), I also don't chant 'Big Ten' when, for example, Michigan beats Florida. The glib counterargument is obviously 'well of course, the Big Ten always loses OOC games LOL', but such an argument manages to be both inflammatory and wrong (see: the Big Ten versus the SEC in the 2005-2006 bowl seasons).
I guess the question, to me, is that were the shoe on the other foot, how I would react to another Big Ten team winning the MNC. This year it looked like Penn State might have a shot; I was pulling for them for a multitude of reasons; 1) that Joe Paterno might retire with some dignity if they won it all, 2) that they've gotten jobbed in the past despite finishing unbeaten, and 3) that I have a number of friends who mistakenly got degrees from the State Penn. However, I don't attach any kind of significant conference pride or self worth to this hypothetical accomplishment. Penn State would have won the MNC, not tOSU and not the Big Ten. It benefits OSU only in that a strong Penn State helps OSU's SOS. Nothing else.
Consequently, I don't see any reason that Georgia would benefit from a Florida national title. On the other hand, I don't think that it's impossible to make an argument that Georgia benefits from a Florida victory; I simply disagree, that's all.
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
BB73;1337899; said:
Probably not. It would have been embarassing for the league. The upside is it might force a decommitment from a UF recruit.
BB73;1337899; said:
I will be rooting for the Gators or the Tide (should they make it). I truly believe that our league is better when more teams succeed at the highest level. I want recruits to think of our school as not just a consistent top 10 program - but as a competative participant of the best conference in American.
I'm so facinated at the difference of opinion on this matter. I wonder why Big 10 and SEC fans disagree so strongly regarding this issue. Truthfully, it's hardly relevant - but it's one of those "things that make you go hmm"
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