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2008 NHL Draft

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jimotis4heisman;1134779; said:
daveeb;1111122; said:
Ah, my bad. I remember when he was on the Pens a few years ago. He really can move the puck really well in the neutral and offensive zones, and he doesn't make a large amount of dumb mistakes.

Oops, my bad. I only went as far back as the drafting of Rick Nash. The NHL Draft back in 2000 was really terrible. People often times had a hard time finding NHL talent, even in the 1st round. The fact that the Jackets got a solid blue liner out of there is actually a good thing.

the draft with dipietro, heatley, goborik, boyes, kronwall, justin williams, frolov, hossa etc?

i think that draft has 9 guys who havent played 100 games in the 1st round and six of those guys arent nhl players....
Still, considering how the draft picks have gone (D, G, LW, RW, LW, C, C, RW), I think the Jackets are about due to be drafting a good defenseman, especially since they have passed up on Marc Staal in 2005 (And the better Center than Brule in Anze Kopitar).

interesting how you say staal, he was drafted after lee and bourdon. heck in that draft you have bobby ryan, j johnson, pouliot, skille, setoguchi, lee, bourdon who have barely seen the nhl. then you have brule who has played 146 games third i believe in that draft class.

kopitar was a goofy lengthy kid from slovenia via sweden, the jackets felt that brule could help them early. kopitar may have been the #1 euro skater but he was well behind brule in just about everybodies book, unless i see it in writting from you i doubt it...

drafting 18 year olds is a long way from cant miss. look at pretty much any draft and youll see it.

it will be interesting to see if the jackets move their two firsts for players to win now, i really have a hard time seeing them stay pat, who knows...
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Here's a good site that you can see who each team drafted each year and how productive in the NHL they have been. I'm not sure that it has been updated for this season:

NHL and WHA Draft Picks
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jimotis4heisman;1134779; said:
daveeb;1111122; said:
i think that draft has 9 guys who havent played 100 games in the 1st round and six of those guys arent nhl players....
Still, considering how the draft picks have gone (D, G, LW, RW, LW, C, C, RW), I think the Jackets are about due to be drafting a good defenseman, especially since they have passed up on Marc Staal in 2005 (And the better Center than Brule in Anze Kopitar).

interesting how you say staal, he was drafted after lee and bourdon. heck in that draft you have bobby ryan, j johnson, pouliot, skille, setoguchi, lee, bourdon who have barely seen the nhl. then you have brule who has played 146 games third i believe in that draft class.

kopitar was a goofy lengthy kid from slovenia via sweden, the jackets felt that brule could help them early. kopitar may have been the #1 euro skater but he was well behind brule in just about everybodies book, unless i see it in writting from you i doubt it...

drafting 18 year olds is a long way from cant miss. look at pretty much any draft and youll see it.

it will be interesting to see if the jackets move their two firsts for players to win now, i really have a hard time seeing them stay pat, who knows...
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I have to think that sooner or later they're going to get bit by their fan base. It seems like year after year they talk big but nothing happens of it. They have not had much success with their FA signings and I don't know how much longer their fan base will keep up with a non-playoff team. They need to move those draft choices for some quality players unless they are willing to pay some big-time dollars for some quality FAs IMO
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jimotis4heisman;1135212; said:
ScriptOhio;1135183; said:
calling out my hockey knowledge?
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No, you are very knowledgeable about hockey (especially the Blue Jackets); however, I will "call you out" on your typing (i.e. punctuation, capitalization, and abbreviations, etc.) :biggrin:

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jimotis4heisman;1136878; said:
agree, i think you have to look no further than 3 of the last 4 expansion teams have not won a playoff series. expansion troubles have not been limited to columbus, atlanta, and nashville havent done anything either...
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Yeah....the only one that has has been Minnesota and that should have been expected I guess.....

Phoenix hasn't done anything either. While not an expansion franchise, they were supposedly going to succeed in the desert and they haven't....

Columbus will get there sooner or later. They'll definitely beat Atlanta there. Trashville has made the playoffs but even with Kariya and Foreskin last year they couldn't win anything.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1179887; said:
script did you know that san jose interviewed cody at the combine? (they dont have a first rounder)
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No, I don't have any insider knowledge of what went on at the combine. Apparently SAn jose is keeping their options open in case they acquire a high pick (like #6) via a trade.
 
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Salary-cap era puts more of an importance on NHL entry draft

OTTAWA -- Back in 1996, during Cliff Fletcher's first stint as Toronto Maple Leafs general manager, he uttered the infamous line "draft, schmaft" after trading away several selections at future National Hockey League drafts.
However, even if Fletcher displayed a lukewarm attitude about the importance of grooming homegrown prospects at that time, the NHL landscape has changed dramatically in the past decade, at least according to Ottawa Senators assistant general manager Tim Murray, who says the value of restocking an organization with talented youngsters is vital in the salary cap era.
Murray says the turnover of rosters because of spending limits and earlier-than-ever unrestricted free agency means young players must be able to fill the void of departing veterans.
"It has sped up a little bit now because you need cheaper players [incoming players are subject to three-year, entry-level contracts] because of the salary cap," said Murray, who has climbed the organizational ladder from amateur scout with the Detroit Red Wings in 1993-94, to director of amateur scouting with the Florida Panthers, to director of player personnel with the Anaheim Ducks, to his current position with the Senators.
"Guys get fast-tracked because of free agency at 27. You need cheaper players. You're going to see lots of players come right out of junior who are going to play on the big team."
More and more, NHL teams appear to be building around a core of franchise-type players, signing them to multi-year contracts while filling in the rest of the roster however possible.
"You're locking up five or six guys long-term, with big money, and your other guys are moving on," Murray said. "That's why we've increased the amount of people on our amateur scouting staff. Every team has over the years. Since the new [collective agreement between the NHL and the players' association], you have to draft guys who can come up and play. You can't have a draft where you get nobody. That kills your organization."
Some young Europeans may have slipped through the cracks in the past because of limited exposure to NHL scouts, but Murray says there are no longer any excuses for not checking out every top player. In the past decade, the Stanley Cup-champion Red Wings have come away with late-round gems from Europe such as Conn Smythe Trophy winner Henrik Zetterberg (seventh round, 210th overall, 1999), Pavel Datsyuk (sixth round, 171st overall, 1998), Valtteri Filppula (third round, 95th overall, 2002) and Johan Franzen (third round, 97th overall, 2004).
"Certainly it has changed a lot since I started scouting 15 years ago," said Murray, who watched about 150 games at all levels last season. "Guys still get missed, I guess, for different reasons maybe, like injuries or whatever, but you really don't have an excuse to go to your manager or whoever is in charge of scouting and say, 'Well, we didn't get a chance to see him this year because he only played 40 games.' So, the co-ordination and the amount of scouts you have on the road, I think, has changed quite a bit."

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The Hockey News: The Hot List: The Hot List: Behind the scenes

The NHL draft is achingly close, so in the interest of total coverage, this week's edition of The Hot List consists of players who maybe haven't been given the full spotlight in the past, but will be sure to hear their names called in Ottawa later this month. Also, we shed a little light on Saturday’s Quebec League draft. All players are draft eligible this year unless indicated otherwise.
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article has 15 guys who arent getting the mega loving of the top billing type guys...
 
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