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starBUCKS;1150283; said:
Will be interesting to see him lined up with his brother. Erin & EJ are from Aberdeen, MD which is about 5 miles from where I live. Watched them both in high school, which they dominated since competition around here isn't much.
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mercer_buckeye
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I really have no idea of his build but what was the knock on Marcus Griffin wasn't he a standout at Texas for three years.
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His brothers were: CB Cedric Griffin (day 1 pick by min), SS Michael Griffen (day 1 pick by ten). FS Marcus Griffen was projected mid 2nd day.mercer_buckeye;1150466; said:
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Draft Daddy UDFA & Draft Grades
AFC EAST BuffaloDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.11 CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy: The Bills never replaced Nate Clements. Troy is good bet. Grade: B-.
2.41 WR James Hardy, Indiana: Real star power, Hardy made a ton of plays at Indiana. Grade: A-.
3.72 DE Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech: Only average at Senior Bowl, Ellis a pass rushing project. Grade: C.
4.114 CB Reggie Corner, Akron: A great Pro Day display elavated Corner's stock. Grade: B.
4.132 TE Derek Fine, Kansas: Should immediately help the Bills in short-yardage packages.
5.147 LB Alvin Bowen, Iowa State: Small fast LB will have to impact on ST. Grade: C.
6.179 RB Xavier Omon, NW Missouri: D-2 superstar has decent speed and excellent balance. Grade C+.
7.219 OT Demetrius Bell, Northwestern: Son of Karl Malone, former DE that needs work. Grade: C-.
7.224 WR Steve Johnson, Kentucky: Big JC-transfer but not real fast. Grade: D.
7.251 CB Kennard Cox, Pittsburgh: Possible nickel back who is a big project. Grade: D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
QB Luke Drone, Illinois State
LB Joe Brockington, Notre Dame
DT Teraz McCray, Miami
FB Mike Viti, Army
MiamiDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.1 OT Jake Long, Michigan: Safe and steady building-block is someone to run behind. Grade: B+.
2.32 DE Philip Merling, Clemson: Will be solid player in Parcells 3-4, need but not a flashy pick. Grade: B.
2.57 QB Chad Henne, Michigan: Tough QB will provide options in passing game at a good value. Grade: A.
3.66 DE Kendall Lankford, Hampton:Adequate size speed for 3-4 DE, bit of a project Grade: C.
4.110 OT Shawn Murphy, Utah State: Son of baseball star Dale has great work ethic. Grade: C-.
6.176 RB Jalen Parmele, Toledo: Has a chance to be servicable backup. nice size/speed. Grade: B-.
6.195 OG Donald Thomas, Uconn: Long shot walk-on to All Big East guard. Grade: B.
6.204 RB Lex Hilliard, Montana: Tweener with injury issues could be a blocker or ST. Grade C-.
7.245 DT Lionel Dotson, Arizona: Parcells has luck with late round value DT. Grade: B+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
OT Dan Gore, Boise State
LB Kelly Poppinga, Miami
WR Jayson Foster, Georgia Southern
OT Mike Byrne, Delaware
WR Davone Bess, Hawaii
New EnglandDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.10 LB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee: Mayo this early is a reach, but Bellichek will reach for his guys. Grade: B.
2.62 CB Terrence Wheatley, Colorado: Wheatley projects well to their scheme. Grade: B-.
3.78 LB Shawn Crable, Michigan: Tough hitter lacks cerebral most jobs but pass rusher. Grade: C+.
3.94 QB Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State: Fast rising prospect hopefully just a Brady backup. Grade: C. 4.129 CB Jonathan Wilhite, Auburn: Must be a factor on special teams to make an impact. Grade: B-.
5.153 WR Matt Slater, UCLA: Son of star Jackie, was drafted for coverage and returns. Grade C+.
6.197 LB Bo Ruud, Nebraska: Brother of Barrett has speed but is project who could stick at ST. Grade: C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
LB Vince Redd, Liberty
DT Chris Norwell, Illinois
T Josh Coffman, East Carolina
N.Y. JetsDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.6 DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State: Boom or bust pass rusher was the only logical choice. Grade: B+.
1.30 TE Dustin Keller, Purdue: The Jets lack tall red zone targets, Keller has soft hands. Grade: B.
4.113 CB Dwight Lowery, Akron: Not fast corner, but ballhawk with 9 Int's in 2006. Grade C+.
5.162 QB Erik Ainge, Tennessee: Nephew of NBA star Danny, not a great arm, a #3QB. Grade C.
6.171 WR Marcus Henry, Kansas: NYJ need size at wide receiver, Henry has a chance. Grade C-.
7.211 OT Nate Garner, Arkansas: Smart run blocker could provide depth. Grade C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
RB Danny Woodhead, Chadron State
SS Nate Lyles, Virginia
FB Jehuu Caulcrick, Michigan State
AFC EAST BuffaloDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.11 CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy: The Bills never replaced Nate Clements. Troy is good bet. Grade: B-.
2.41 WR James Hardy, Indiana: Real star power, Hardy made a ton of plays at Indiana. Grade: A-.
3.72 DE Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech: Only average at Senior Bowl, Ellis a pass rushing project. Grade: C.
4.114 CB Reggie Corner, Akron: A great Pro Day display elavated Corner's stock. Grade: B.
4.132 TE Derek Fine, Kansas: Should immediately help the Bills in short-yardage packages.
5.147 LB Alvin Bowen, Iowa State: Small fast LB will have to impact on ST. Grade: C.
6.179 RB Xavier Omon, NW Missouri: D-2 superstar has decent speed and excellent balance. Grade C+.
7.219 OT Demetrius Bell, Northwestern: Son of Karl Malone, former DE that needs work. Grade: C-.
7.224 WR Steve Johnson, Kentucky: Big JC-transfer but not real fast. Grade: D.
7.251 CB Kennard Cox, Pittsburgh: Possible nickel back who is a big project. Grade: D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
QB Luke Drone, Illinois State
LB Joe Brockington, Notre Dame
DT Teraz McCray, Miami
FB Mike Viti, Army
MiamiDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.1 OT Jake Long, Michigan: Safe and steady building-block is someone to run behind. Grade: B+.
2.32 DE Philip Merling, Clemson: Will be solid player in Parcells 3-4, need but not a flashy pick. Grade: B.
2.57 QB Chad Henne, Michigan: Tough QB will provide options in passing game at a good value. Grade: A.
3.66 DE Kendall Lankford, Hampton:Adequate size speed for 3-4 DE, bit of a project Grade: C.
4.110 OT Shawn Murphy, Utah State: Son of baseball star Dale has great work ethic. Grade: C-.
6.176 RB Jalen Parmele, Toledo: Has a chance to be servicable backup. nice size/speed. Grade: B-.
6.195 OG Donald Thomas, Uconn: Long shot walk-on to All Big East guard. Grade: B.
6.204 RB Lex Hilliard, Montana: Tweener with injury issues could be a blocker or ST. Grade C-.
7.245 DT Lionel Dotson, Arizona: Parcells has luck with late round value DT. Grade: B+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
OT Dan Gore, Boise State
LB Kelly Poppinga, Miami
WR Jayson Foster, Georgia Southern
OT Mike Byrne, Delaware
WR Davone Bess, Hawaii
New EnglandDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.10 LB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee: Mayo this early is a reach, but Bellichek will reach for his guys. Grade: B.
2.62 CB Terrence Wheatley, Colorado: Wheatley projects well to their scheme. Grade: B-.
3.78 LB Shawn Crable, Michigan: Tough hitter lacks cerebral most jobs but pass rusher. Grade: C+.
3.94 QB Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State: Fast rising prospect hopefully just a Brady backup. Grade: C. 4.129 CB Jonathan Wilhite, Auburn: Must be a factor on special teams to make an impact. Grade: B-.
5.153 WR Matt Slater, UCLA: Son of star Jackie, was drafted for coverage and returns. Grade C+.
6.197 LB Bo Ruud, Nebraska: Brother of Barrett has speed but is project who could stick at ST. Grade: C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
LB Vince Redd, Liberty
DT Chris Norwell, Illinois
T Josh Coffman, East Carolina
N.Y. JetsDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.6 DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State: Boom or bust pass rusher was the only logical choice. Grade: B+.
1.30 TE Dustin Keller, Purdue: The Jets lack tall red zone targets, Keller has soft hands. Grade: B.
4.113 CB Dwight Lowery, Akron: Not fast corner, but ballhawk with 9 Int's in 2006. Grade C+.
5.162 QB Erik Ainge, Tennessee: Nephew of NBA star Danny, not a great arm, a #3QB. Grade C.
6.171 WR Marcus Henry, Kansas: NYJ need size at wide receiver, Henry has a chance. Grade C-.
7.211 OT Nate Garner, Arkansas: Smart run blocker could provide depth. Grade C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
RB Danny Woodhead, Chadron State
SS Nate Lyles, Virginia
FB Jehuu Caulcrick, Michigan State
AFC South HoustonDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.26 OT Duane Brown, Virginia Tech: If Alex Gibbs likes him, I like him. Grade: B.
3.79 CB Antwaun Molden, Eastern Kentucky: Fast rising cover corner at good value. Grade: A-.
3.89 RB Steve Slaton, West Virginia: Not too long ago Slaton was considered elite. Grade: B-.
4.118 LB Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech: Underrated leader projects nicely in Texans' 4-3. Grade B.
5.151 DT Frank Okam, Texas: Space eater NT but lacks mean streak. Grade C-.
6.173 S Dominique Barber, Minnesota: Brother of Marion, lacks measurables but plays big. Grade C.
7.223 QB Alex Brink, Washington State: Gutty leader is a backup with upside. Grade C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
LB Ben Moffitt, South Florida
WR Ryan Grice-Mullins, Hawaii'
LB Marcus Richardson, Troy
TE Cole Bennett, Auburn
CB Josh Bell, Baylor
WR Darnell Jenkins, Miami
DE Jesse Mading, Colorado State
DT Gabe Long, Utah
IndianapolisDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
2.59 OC Mike Pollack, Arizona State: Top notch center at a position of need. Grade: B.
3.93 LB Phillip Wheeler, Georgia Tech: Wheeler could be a dominator. Grade: A-.
4.127 TE Jacob Tamme, Kentucky: Long finesse target fits well with Colts' system. Grade: C+.
5.161 LB Marcus Howard, Georgia: Another undersized but nasty defender for defense. Grade B-.
6.196 TE Tom Santi, Virginia: Underrated player from great program for TE. Grade: B-.
6.201 OC Steve Justice, Wake Forest: Polian doubles down on centers. Grade: C.
6.202 RB Mike Hart, Michigan: Undersized and slow, Hart may have a tough time. Grade: D.
6.205 WR Pierre Garcon, Mount Union: Small school sleeper intriques. Grade: C+.
6.235 OC Jamey Richard, Buffalo: Polian triples up on centers, Richard might play guard. Grade: C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
WR Sam Giguere, Sherbrooke
CB Brandon Foster, Texas
DE Curtis Johnson, Clark Atlanta
DL Don Davis, Connecticut
DE Eric Foster, Rutgers
OT Darren Marquez, Southern Illinois
JacksonvilleDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.8 DE Derrick Harvey, Florida: Underrated pass rusher has motor and many moves. Grade: A.
2.52 DE Quentin Groves, Auburn: Another savage pass rusher from the SEC. Great value. Grade: A-.
5.155 LB Thomas Williams, Southern Cal: Backup but could have best football in front of him. Grade: C-.
5.159 LB Trae Williams, South Florida: Man-to-man DB learned to cover this year. Grade: C+.
7.213 RB Chauncey Washington, Southern Cal: Explosive smaller back when healthy. Grade: C+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
QB Paul Smith, Tulsa
TE Adam Bishop, Nevada
DE Alex Boston, Florida State
TE Chris Brown, Tennessee
WR Rudy Burgess, Arizona State
FB Anthony Catrone, Maine
WR Clyde Edwards, Grambling
CB Isaiah Gardner, Maryland
CB Michael Grant, Arkansas
WR Jeron Harvey, Houston
DT Theo Horrocks, Vanderbilt
G/C Drew Miller, Florida
LB Lamar Myles, Louisville
QB Paul Smith, Tulsa
CB Brian Witherspoon, Stillman
TennesseeDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.24 RB Chris Johnson, East Carolina: Instant home run threat can create touchdowns. Grade: B.
1.54 DE Jason Jones, Eastern Michigan: Raw project is a few years out but could be decent. Grade C+
3.85 TE Craig Stevens, California: Natural pass catcher can also block. Solid value. Grade: B-.
4.103 DE William Hayes, Winston-Salem: Small school tweener with pass rush: Grade: C+.
4.126 WR Lavelle Hawkins, California: Playmaker will make his name known in Nashville. Grade: B+.
4.134 DE Stanford Keglar, Purdue: Possible backup and special teamer with upside. Grade C-.
7.229 CB Cary Williams, Washburn: Elite small school CB is boom or bust type. Grade C.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
WR Jason Rivers, Hawaii'
LB Jerrell Freeman, Mary Hardin-Baylor
RB Omar Cuff, Delaware
OC Eric Scott, Kentucky
OC Fernando Velasco, Georgia
SS Tony Joiner, Florida
NFC EAST DallasDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.22 RB Felix Jones, Arkansas: Fast need pick but Jones might not be every down player. Grade: B-.
1.25 CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida: Excellent value for man-to-man possible 1 CB. Grade: A.
2.61 TE Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M: Boom or bust athlete could be good long term bet. Grade: B-.
4.122 RB Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech: Nice sleeper running back provides depth. Grade: B-
5.143 CB Orlando Scandrick, Boise State: Fast and raw, could be a real player. Grade: C+.
6.167 LB Erik Walden, Middle Tennessee: Backup LB and probable special teamer. Grade: D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
WR Danny Amendola, Texas Tech
DE Marcus Dixon, Hampton
DE Darrell Robertson, Georgia Tech
TE Drew Atchison, William and Mary
New YorkDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.31 S Kenny Phillips, Miami: Miami safety used to be elite prospect. Not bad value at 31. Grade: B+.
2.63 CB Terrell Thomas, Southern Cal: Big player from big school but is a project. Grade: C.
3.95 WR Mario Manningham, Michigan: Talented but troubled clutch WR can move chains. Grade: B.
4.123 LB Bryan Kehl, BYU: Excellent Combine and Pro Day elevated his draft stock. Grade: C+.
5.165 Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt: Rough and ready linebacker could get real snaps. Grade: B-.
6.198 Andre Woodson, Kentucky: As a backup, could have potential. Not ideal starter. Grade: C+.
6.199 Robert Henderson, Southern Miss: Underrated defender from an underrated program. Grade: C.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
DE Wallace Gilberry, Alabama
FS Nehemiah Warrick, Michigan State
OT Glenn Bujnoch, Cincinnati
DE Antonio Reynolds, Tennessee
OL Andrew Bain, Miami
PhiladelphiaDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
2.47 DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame: Laws has steady talent and fits the Eagles rotation. Grade: B.
2.49 WR Desean Jackson, California: The Eagles fixed their returner problem in a big way. Grade: B+.
3.80 LB Bryan Smith, McNeese State: Excellent athlete can make plays at 4-3 WLB. Grade: B.
4.109 OT Mike McGlynn, Pittsburgh: Versatile and tough big man, can play guard or tackle. Grade: C+.
4.117 S Quentin Demps, UTEP: Joins a large cast of characters trying to replace Dawkins. Grade: B.
4.131 CB Jack Ikegwuonu, Wisconsin: A major knee injury and makes this a risky pick. Grade: D.
6.184 OT Mike Gibson, California: Depth pick could fill in at multiple spots. Grade: C+.
6.200 LB Joe Mays, North Dakota State: Undersized but tough MLB could backup. Grade: C.
6.203 LB Andy Studebaker, Wheaton: Another sleeper vies for backup or ST role. Grade: C-.
7.230 OT King Dunlap, Auburn: Underachieving big man could turn it around. Grade: D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
OT Frank Dunbar, Middle Tennessee
WashingtonDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
2.34 WR Devin Thomas, Michigan State: First round value at second round prices. Grade: B+.
2.48 TE Fred Davis, Southern Cal: Davis is polished but makes mistakes and has limited upside. Grade: C-.
2.51 WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma: Kelly lacks speed but can be a red zone target. Grade C+.
3.96 PG Chad Reinhart, Northern Iowa: Versatile and gutsy lineman should find real snaps. Grade: B.
4.124 CB Justin Tryon Arizona State: Not real big, but he's got the potential to help as a nickle back
6.168 P Durant Brooks, Georgia Tech: Best punter in the draft, should have a long career.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
OG Kerry Brown, Appalachian State
OT Shannon Boatman, Florida State
OT Devin Clark, New Mexico
CB Matterral Richardson, Arkansas
QB Bret Meyer, Iowa State
SS Kevin Mitchell, Illinois
NFC North ChicagoDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.14 OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt: Smart and agile left tackle fills a need. Grade: B+.
2.44 RB Matt Forte, Tulane: North-south runner brings power. Grade: B.
3.70 WR Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt: Sharp route runner could make quick impact. Grade: B+.
3.90 DT Marcus Harrison, Arkansas: Tough player with character questions. Grade: C-.
4.120 S Craig Steltz, LSU: Not an every down player. Grade: D+.
5.142 CB Zackary Bowman, Nebraska: If not for injuries would have gone higher. Grade: B-.
5.148 TE Kellen Davis, Michigan State: Amazing athlete and blocker but no ball skils. Grade: C+.
7.208 DE Ervin Baldwin, Michigan State: Just a guy for now. Grade: D.
7.222 OG Chester Adams, Georgia: Sleeper from a good program for linemen. Grade: C-.
7.243 LB Joey LaRocque, Oregon State: Special teamer or possible backup. Grade: D+.
7.247 OT Kirk Barton, Ohio State: Strong but lacks balance. Possible depth. Grade: D.
7.248 WR Marcus Monk, Arkansas: Slow but not without talent. Good value. Grade: C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
QB Nick Hill, Southern Illinois
WR Curtis Hamilton, Western Kentucky
CB Trey Brown, U.C.L.A.
RB Chris Markey, U.C.L.A.
QB Caleb Hanie, Colorado State
DetroitDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
1.17 OT Gosder Cherlius, Boston College: Low risk right tackle with real upside. Grade: A-.
2.45 LB Jordan Dizon, Colorado: Fast but small LB might only be a ST'er. Grade: C-.
3.64 RB Kevin Smith, Central Florida: Productive runner could make instant impact. Grade: B.
3.87 DT Andre Fluellen, Florida State: Good pass rusher but small. Rotational player. Grade: C+.
3.92 DE Cliff Avril, Purdue: Strong, fast and tough, could eventually start. Grade: B+.
5.136 WR Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest: Huge 2007 launched this player in the draft. Grade: C-.
5.146 RB Jerome Felton, Furman: Nicknamed "Baby Bettis" in college, short yardage specialist. Grade: C.
7.216 DT Landon Cohen, Ohio: Possible backup player will struggle to make roster. Grade: D.
7.218 S Caleb Cambell, Army: Inspirational story could surprise. Grade: C-.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
FS Bobbie Williams, Bethune Cookman
Green BayDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
2.36 WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas State: Hard working and legit player adds offense. Grade: B.
2.56 QB Brian Brohm, Louisville: Great value pick could emerge in Green Bay. Grade: B+.
2.60 CB Patrick Lee, Auburn: Athletic but raw player should learn from the vets. Grade: C+.
3.91 TE Jermichael Finley, Texas: Risky but talented Finley will need time to develop. Grade: B-.
4.102 DE Jeremy Thompson, Wake Forest: Will provide depth at both defensive end spots.
4.135 OG Josh Sitton, Central Florida: Athletic project with upside. Grade: C+
5.150 OT Breno Giacomini, Louisville: Former TE has upside potential. Grade C+
7.209 QB Matt Flynn, LSU: Heady player could be a backup. Grade C.
7.217 WR Brett Swain, San Diego State: Sleeper will have to make plays in camp. Grade: D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
LB Danny Lansanah, Connecticut
TE Michael Peterson, N.W. Missouri State
RB Kregg Lumpkin, Georgia
WR Taj Smith, Syracuse
WR Rod Harper, Murray State
NFC East & NFC South aren't done yet...MinnesotaDRAFT PICKS WITH GRADES:
2.43 S Tyrell Johnson, Arkansas State: Great size speed ratio, this riser could be a steal. Grade: B.
5.137 QB John David Booty, Southern Cal: Has significant experience in a pro offense. Grade C+.
5.152 DT Letroy Guion, Florida State: Raw but talented pass rusher need work. Grade: C-.
6.187 OC John Sullivan, Notre Dame: Servicable center could backup several positions. Grade C+.
5.193 WR Jaymar Johnson, Jackson State: Sleeper wide out has hands. Grade D+.
*** UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS:
S Husain Abdullah, Washington State
DE Martail Burnett, Utah
DT Leger Douzable, Central Florida
S Marcus Griffin, Texas
LB Erin Henderson, Maryland
WR Nate Jones, Texas
CB Travis Key, Michigan State
LB Jeremy Leman, Illinois
OC Tim Mattran, Stanford
OT Drew Radovich, U.S.C.
WR Darius Reynaud, West Virginia
CB Brandon Sumrall, S. Mississippi
CB Marcus Walker, Oklahoma
QB Kyle Wright, Miami (Fla.)
RB Albert Young, Iowa
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Set aside for the moment the activity last year and this year in the free agent / trade market before the draft. Look at what the Browns' needs were.LitlBuck;1150591; said:Draft Daddy does not like my Cleveland Brownsor Phil Savage. He was not very kind to them. They are in the AFC North which I would import but I would lose the formatting. The AFC East is here twice which is probably a boo-boo.
RB - LB - CB
Look at how many were filled
LB
Look at how many were filled in a quality fashion.
Beau Bell OLB? Kindly referred to as "bulky."
True, their draft was pruned - starting Rd 4 - but Beau Bell?
On the FA front, I see they did address RB - and got on board with the Bengals in so doing - signing troubled back Austin Scott out of Penn State.
For this you want Draft Daddy to give them some love - OK.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I guess my only comment is that the Browns have been watching Bell for over 2 years and fell in love with the guy. He is projected to play on the inside for Cleveland. I agree we were working with a short stack but I have to keep my hopes up. I also know what you mean about Scott but Savage will take care of him if he makes one little mistake.sandgk;1150630; said:
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