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2008 Football Rumblings

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jwinslow;1239812; said:
I've always maintained that different reffing might have let OSU escape with a win they didn't earn that day... but 7 (fum) + 4 (pick TD vs FG) were improperly attributed.

OSU was not 'b10' enough that day to win. With better power and execution up front, they hang on for a tough win. Instead the talented ILL lines won the game, and kept Leman untouched all game. Sure Juice was lights out as well, but he would still have been overcome with better play from our big uglies.
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lehman was an all b10 type player with all american type games against ohio state. he was the new grant irons. grant played for michigan for 13 years and had 2356236523895623 tackles vs ohio state...

joking aside, youre right. we didnt play our game. the defense didnt get stops and we didnt score as many (or more) points as the other team. ill tell you right now you arent gonna win many games if you get outscored...
 
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The circumstances of the "no call" "no review" were highly suspicious. And the Big Ten suspects as much but the Big Ten wants to move on. To keep bringing it up just makes all the Big Ten officiating suspect. They don't want that.

And Beanie was hurting big time that day so it all came together for the Illini with their best game of the year. I have seen enough of these games where an officials call/no call have killed a National Championship.
 
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Taosman said:
The circumstances of the "no call" "no review" were highly suspicious. And the Big Ten suspects as much but the Big Ten wants to move on. To keep bringing it up just makes all the Big Ten officiating suspect. They don't want that.

And Beanie was hurting big time that day so it all came together for the Illini with their best game of the year. I have seen enough of these games where an officials call/no call have killed a National Championship.
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ive seen more times though that plays werent made. im a big fan of no excuses. im a person who looks at strengths and sees what can be done. i believe you control your own destiny-understand that you are where you are and what you are and drive to be where you want to be. i think that possibility thinking great people act and little people react. instead of dwelling on it and making excuses they needed to be a winner one mut look at their strengths and think of all the ways things can be done. remember folks the thing difference in a positive attitudes is the difference between must do and can do...

plays werent made, or maybe they were and ill made better plays. ill scored more points, they won the game.
 
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im a big fan of no excuses. im a person who looks at strengths and sees what can be done.
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Consultants and elistist taking over this board!!

It is hard to say what one play means to a game.. How does momentum change from that point, the play calling etc, but there about 150 plays a game this can be said on. End of the day, they outplayed us and made the plays to win the game. Missed call for sure, but Illinois was better that day.
 
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craigblitz;1239921; said:
Missed call for sure, but Illinois was better that day.
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Better? Maybe. IMO if the game is so close that one or two calls from the refs are enough to determine who wins than neither team was "better".

With that said, if you can't create enough separation to 'overcome' a bad call or two...if you can't stop those calls from determining the outcome of the game...you didn't 'deserve' a win: no excuses.

Now if it were play after play..that is a different story. For example if Pitt had not beaten WVU last year I would have no problem with them blaming the officiating..that was the most egregiously one sided officiating I have ever seen.

Same for the 2002 title game..many fans still cry about that late call and claim it was a gift to OSU..but if you watch the whole game the officials were insanely favoring Miami with their whistles, ball spots, and calls. Absolutely insane, but no one else is trying to hear that, they just want to cry about OSU winning the title. That game should have never made it to OT, but the wrong fan base is crying about the refs...still.
 
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HINYG8 said:
Better? Maybe. IMO if the game is so close that one or two calls from the refs are enough to determine who wins than neither team was "better".

With that said, if you can't create enough separation to 'overcome' a bad call or two...if you can't stop those calls from determining the outcome of the game...you didn't 'deserve' a win: no excuses.

Now if it were play after play..that is a different story. For example if Pitt had not beaten WVU last year I would have no problem with them blaming the officiating..that was the most egregiously one sided officiating I have ever seen.

Same for the 2002 title game..many fans still cry about that late call and claim it was a gift to OSU..but if you watch the whole game the officials were insanely favoring Miami with their whistles, ball spots, and calls. Absolutely insane, but no one else is trying to hear that, they just want to cry about OSU winning the title. That game should have never made it to OT, but the wrong fan base is crying about the refs...still.
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sorry nope. no excuses, none. you need to control your own destiny. you have to play through that kind of stuff. thats life.
 
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craigblitz;1239921; said:
Consultants and elistist taking over this board!!

It is hard to say what one play means to a game.. How does momentum change from that point, the play calling etc, but there about 150 plays a game this can be said on. End of the day, they outplayed us and made the plays to win the game. Missed call for sure, but Illinois was better that day.
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I have a hard time believing a team that was handed 14 points by the refs, and only won by 7, was a better team. It's not hard to look like the better team when you get to play with the lead, no matter what the score should be. The blown fumble call changed the whole complexion of the game. OSU was dominating at that point, had they gone up 14-0 on the resulting possession (they did score from similar field position after the BS TD), it would have allowed OSU to play ball possession, and forced ILL to take more chances. Instead, a frustrated OSU team made stupid mistake while trying to force the ball downfield. After the 2nd gift TD, ILL was firmly in control, and the refs refusal to call holding kept it that way. ILL did look like the better team over the last ten minutes, but without the refs help, they would not have been in a position to run out the clock. Throw in the reputation of Pamon, and the whole thing stinks to high heaven. I'm not saying that the team couldn't have played thru it, but refs can and have decided the outcome of sports contests. Ask Roy Jones, Jr. and the '72 US olympic basketball team. ILL played their best game, but if they were actually the best team on the field that day, they would have won by at least 17.
 
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generaladm;1240064; said:
I have a hard time believing a team that was handed 14 points by the refs, and only won by 7, was a better team. It's not hard to look like the better team when you get to play with the lead, no matter what the score should be. The blown fumble call changed the whole complexion of the game. OSU was dominating at that point, had they gone up 14-0 on the resulting possession (they did score from similar field position after the BS TD), it would have allowed OSU to play ball possession, and forced ILL to take more chances. Instead, a frustrated OSU team made stupid mistake while trying to force the ball downfield. After the 2nd gift TD, ILL was firmly in control, and the refs refusal to call holding kept it that way. ILL did look like the better team over the last ten minutes, but without the refs help, they would not have been in a position to run out the clock. Throw in the reputation of Pamon, and the whole thing stinks to high heaven. I'm not saying that the team couldn't have played thru it, but refs can and have decided the outcome of sports contests. Ask Roy Jones, Jr. and the '72 US olympic basketball team. ILL played their best game, but if they were actually the best team on the field that day, they would have won by at least 17.
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my biggest problem with that game was the fact ILL was called for holding, what once, during that entire game. it's not like their line was chock full of nfl talent, but somehow they only got whistled once, and that seemed like an apology call late.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1240025; said:
sorry nope. no excuses, none. you need to control your own destiny. you have to play through that kind of stuff. thats life.
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I don't think I said otherwise. Actually, I said exactly the same: no excuses.

The two examples I cited the team that was getting shafted played through and won.
 
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Some folks on here are starting to sound like Cryami fans.

Besides, didn't the Buckeyes end up #1 in the final BCS standings for the year? It's not like that loss cost the team a shot at the NC.

The Illinois game ended the tOSU's Big Ten winning steak, and cost the team a couple of weeks at the AP #1 spot, but other than that, why keep whining about a bad call in the first quarter?

Thank goodness college football actually starts tomorrow!
 
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jimotis4heisman;1240025; said:
sorry nope. no excuses, none. you need to control your own destiny. you have to play through that kind of stuff. thats life.
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Every dog has it's day. It's not the size of the dog in the fight... The best team doesn't always win.

Who's got some more cliched phrases to throw in :biggrin:... but in all honesty you are correct
 
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