2006 Notes (and Babb's comparison to 2002 defense) merged

[OSU_Fan14]

here are my defensive outlook for next season.....it may be early but since we're on the topic i'll put my two cents.

DL

Who We Lose: Marcus Green, Mike Kudla
Who Returns: Quinn Pitcock, David Patterson
Outlook: Next year, Pitcock and Patterson will anchor the line. there's no replacing Kudla but we have nice DL depth. we have gholston, penton, richardson, and hopefully some young guys like doug worthington and lawrence wilson stepping up.
Projected Starters: Pitcock, Richardson, Patterson, and Penton.

LB

Who We Lose: Carpenter, Schlegal, Hawk
Who Returns: no real starters
Outlook: We lose possibly the best lb corps in the nation. BUT, we do have some returning talent. D'Andrea is returning along with Marcus Freeman, Curtis Terry, and IU transfer John Kerr. Again, we might need some young guys to step up and help. those include james laurinaitis, and chad hoobler. we do have 3 nice lbs arriving next year in Tyler Moeller, Ross Homan, and Freddie Lenix (grayshirt from last year)
Projected Starters: D'Andrea, Laurinaitis, Kerr, and possibly Freeman.

DB

Who We Lose: Nate Salley and Tyler Everett
Who Returns: Whitner, Youboty, Jenkins, Mitchell
Outlook: we could have a very solid secondary next year. all returning players have a lot of expirience. we could even see some of jamario o'neal and newcomer kurt coleman. I think that this secondary could be one of the best ever.
Projected Starters: Whitner, Youboty, Jenkins, and Mitchell.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

For fun i'll throw in Special teams

K/P

Who We Lose: Josh Huston
Who Returns: AJ Trapasso, Ryan Pretorius
Outlook: Huston has been more than enough to replace NUUUUUGE. Trapasso has been very dependable at points and looks to improve. Hustons replacement will be Ryan Pretorious, who kicked a 55 yarder in a scrimage against a full rush.
Projected Starters: Trapasso, Pretorius, Norman (Long Snapper)

KR/PR

Who We Lose: maybe Holmes
Who Returns: maybe Holmes, Ginn, Gonzalez
Outlook: This unit will look to continue to be one of the best in the nation. Ginn will look to have his best year while Holmes looks to do the exact same. If Holmes leaves, the team wont miss a beat and throw Gonzalez in there. He has a lot of expirience and osu swears he's faster than ginn.
Projected Starters: Ginn, Gonzalez, and maybe Holmes

 

[Onebuckfan]

Obviously the D will not be as good BUT the D's bestfriend is a power running game and we are shaping up as a great running team next year. If we can rush the passer andthe O=Line solidifies we will be OK. The big plus for us is LLLLOYD will be back as well as TS for us.

 

[NFBuck]

Just a note...Santonio is not coming back. He is a sure fire high draft pick (most likely first rounder) and has a family he will be looking to support. Unless I am mistaken, he has two children so it is in his best interest to go out now to avoid the risk of an injury next year.

 

[Jaxbuck]

For me personally 9 wins is the expectation level for '06.

If the young D gells we could do better, if it doesn't we could do worse.

Also I think people are underestimating the impact Santonio Holmes departure could have on the O. Teams had to gameplan for him all year, with that gone they are free to do more vs TS and company. Just sayin, watch out for it.

Hopefully the emergence of Pittman and the Wells boys will give us a power run game ala 2002, because as was noted earlier in the thread....thats a young D's best buddy.

 

[ShakerBuck]

DL: Patterson-DE/DT (Sr), Richardson-DE (Sr), Gholsten-DE (Jr), Wilson-DE (So), Pitcock-DT (Sr), Cotton-DT (Jr), Abdallah-DE (So)

Don't forget about Alex Barrow.

The way I see it, We have loads of talent coming back in on D in '06, the major loss will be leadership. Not saying guys won't step up and take a leadership role. But we're losing Hawk, Carp, Shlegel, Salley, Green, Kudla, Everett et al. guys who have been through a lot of battles, and experienced '02

 

[1998_OSU_Grad]

was the schedule posted on page 1 accurate? bowling green after iowa? i was pretty sure that we had a bye on 10/7....?

 

[Jaxbuck]

was the schedule posted on page 1 accurate? bowling green after iowa? i was pretty sure that we had a bye on 10/7....?

12 game schedules for everyone in D1A from here on out=no more bye weeks.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Not to burst any bubbles, but our special teams play, atleast returns-wise, has been a little spotty this year.

it has? minus the last game, i'd say that our returns have been pretty darn good. also, it's difficult to punish the whole return unit when the only issues i've seen have been with ginn and holmes not catching a handful of kicks/punts. unless i'm mistaken, i remember only one fumble by holmes on a return. each return guy probably averages at least one a year. ginn has some issues, but i bet that the sun played a huge factor in his mishandles against scUM.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

For me personally 9 wins is the expectation level for '06.

9-3 is your expectation level? i know we lose key defensive players, but i see enough talent on the squad next year to set some expectations higher than that. our offense next year is going to be AWESOME!!! i try not to exaggerate, but... c'mon... our offense is going to make up for and more the departure of our great defensive players. i know that holmes is a huge loss. mangold, too. however, i challenge any defense next year to come close to stopping what will be one of the most volatile offenses ohio state has ever produced. i know that the season starts in almost a year from now, but i can just smell the talent already.

edit: please tell you me that you don't have an expectation of 9 wins including the bowl game. 9-4 sounds very, very low.

 

[Carmen Ohio]

For me personally 9 wins is the expectation level for '06.

If the young D gells we could do better, if it doesn't we could do worse.

Also I think people are underestimating the impact Santonio Holmes departure could have on the O. Teams had to gameplan for him all year, with that gone they are free to do more vs TS and company. Just sayin, watch out for it.

Hopefully the emergence of Pittman and the Wells boys will give us a power run game ala 2002, because as was noted earlier in the thread....thats a young D's best buddy.

There's no doubt Holmes was an incredible talent but we didn't really know that until Drew Carter went down. After Santonio we'll no doubt get to see how good Dukes and Lyons are and how much Ginn has grown. As you know we're a great program that always has other great athletes in the wings. I never look at what we lose going into a season, I look at what we have.

Our "D" next year should mostly be guys who've had some considerable experience.... and though probably not as as good as 05, how bad could they really be? Pitcock and Patterson anchoring the D line, Youboty and Whitner in the secondary. At LB I look for D'Andrea and Kerr to really go out and try to prove something.

I just can't see where the 3 losses are coming from. Texas is a toss up and Iowa could be tough, but that's all I see.

 

[NFBuck]

it has? minus the last game, i'd say that our returns have been pretty darn good. also, it's difficult to punish the whole return unit when the only issues i've seen have been with ginn and holmes not catching a handful of kicks/punts. unless i'm mistaken, i remember only one fumble by holmes on a return. each return guy probably averages at least one a year. ginn has some issues, but i bet that the sun played a huge factor in his mishandles against scUM.

Which is why I said spotty. Not to jump all over Teddy because I love him as much as anybody else, but 2 drops against scUM and a few others during the season is not good. On top of that he has had a couple others called back from penalties (legit or not). Fact is, this is not typical of a tight return game. I think as lot of it was Teddy thinking too much before his returns, and hopefully that can be fixed before next season.

 

[Pheasant]

it has? minus the last game, i'd say that our returns have been pretty darn good. also, it's difficult to punish the whole return unit when the only issues i've seen have been with ginn and holmes not catching a handful of kicks/punts. unless i'm mistaken, i remember only one fumble by holmes on a return. each return guy probably averages at least one a year. ginn has some issues, but i bet that the sun played a huge factor in his mishandles against scUM.

I like that you're giving Teddy the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think the sun really had anything to do with it. He's been taking his eyes off the ball fairly consistently this season on punt returns. One of the scUM game fumbles he blatantly looked downfield before fielding the ball. I'm sure the number of fumbles is fewer than it seems, but it seems like a lot.
I don't want to get into predictions for next year yet, we haven't even played the bowl game yet....but I will venture just this one guess. 11 wins.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

I like that you're giving Teddy the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think the sun really had anything to do with it.

until i watched the game the second time around, i didn't think that the sun matter that much, too. watching it the second time, it's hard not to think that the sun had something to do with it. both drops occurred when the sun was in the spot that would make it most difficult for him, especially when you consider how bright the sun was on that cloudless day... and at about 2:00.

trust me, i'm not trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. it has nothing to do with teddy nor with my desire to give him the benefit. in fact, i was screaming that he should not be back there to return anymore after he lost the first one. in a close game such as that one, players should have short leashes (mo wells) after stupid mistakes. again, when i went through the game the second time, it was obvious that the sun had to be right there. even tressel mentioned it in the postgame interview; although, he was probably saying what coaches should say.

all of this being said, i know that ginn has made too many return errors not to be guiltridden.

 

[Pheasant]

until i watched the game the second time around, i didn't think that the sun matter that much, too. watching it the second time, it's hard not to think that the sun had something to do with it. both drops occurred when the sun was in the spot that would make it most difficult for him, especially when you consider how bright the sun was on that cloudless day... and at about 2:00.

trust me, i'm not trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. it has nothing to do with teddy nor with my desire to give him the benefit. in fact, i was screaming that he should not be back there to return anymore after he lost the first one. in a close game such as that one, players should have short leashes (mo wells) after stupid mistakes. again, when i went through the game the second time, it was obvious that the sun had to be right there. even tressel mentioned it in the postgame interview; although, he was probably saying what coaches should say.

all of this being said, i know that ginn has made too many return errors not to be guiltridden.

I'll have to check it out when I re-watch the game tomorrow, also I'm going to be looking for all the missed penalties and other missed calls by the refs so I can whine about them at my pres....wait a minute....I'm not LLLLoyd Carr. Whew. Nightmare.
At any rate, the special teams this year were good, not great. I expect a better effort next year, and the bowl game will probably be lights out. The miscues had to be biting Tressel's ass all the way home from scUM, and he won't let that kind of thing slide, I wouldn't think.