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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

But the biggest factor in that drive not getting points was the OPI call. Despite getting sacked on the first play, the Buckeyes were at the 28 with more than 25 seconds and a timeout left. That should have allowed them to run 3 plays to try to put the ball between the 10-and-15 yard line, get it to the middle of the field, and either spike the ball after a first down or use the timeout.
I agree that they could have run the ball more. Unfortunately in the second half they were only averaging around 3.6 per rush without Simmons. I don't think they would have been able to get to the 15. They still might have been able to get to the edge of Fielding's range.
 
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Sing it. Jesus, it’s not like the other team isn’t allowed to be really fucking good too. There’s issues to be fixed, but there’s nothing anywhere in life that doesn’t have shit that can be fixed. And the ‘if we don’t win every time we step of the field mentality’ is going to leave a LOT of people very disappointed.

Like so many things in life, it’s how you respond to adversity that makes up a significant part of your character.

Let’s see what kind of character this team has before we just rinse our hands of them. After disappointing loses I always used to ask my teams how they felt… and if it felt good. If the didn’t like how they felt, they were in control of changing that next time and it starts with what they do between now and the next game. 100% sure that same thought is being shared with those guys.

The issue is it's the same problems showing up for 6 years now. You can't blame fans for coming to the conclusion that this is what a Ryan Day team looks like, and it's what we should expect in the future.

We don't have to win every time. We do have to win more than 1 big game in 6 years.
 
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100% thought that this was intentional. I’m actually surprised they didn’t do it again and just say ‘whoops… did we do that again? Sorry. (Not sorry).”
I remember seeing it in a playbook. If we were in a situation where the offense had two plays to win, and 5 yards or half the distance to the goal was not back breaking, sub a couple extra guys in, and then win the game on the last play.
 
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Now that I can think a little more clearly on the game, on one hand it is a one point loss on the road to what I think is a good team. The ending was tragic, but that is not the end of the season at all with how the playoffs are built.

I will say this though - If we don't fix the defense, we are in for at least one more loss by the end of November. I really don't know if it is players or coaches, or both, but there is no excuse for the defense to look like that getting pretty much everyone back. Mathews should start over Burke this week but that alone does not solve things.

There is some flaw(s) in scheme that is getting us exposed and that has to be fixed above all else. Knowles better step it up because the talent is there. The offensive staff better step it up too, we are getting away with raw talent for the most part. I'll cut them some slack with the injuries to the OL, but the play calls and time management in the last minute were inexcusable to me. We set ourselves up for defeat there.

Time to move on though, lots of football left to be played.
Nah no one left on the schedule can really stress the defense like Oregon can. Indiana looks like they have a great offense this year, but not sure what they'll look like against better athletes.

To be really honest, I'm not super down on this loss. Hell I'm not even really down on the defense all that much. Oregon may just have a truly elite offense this year. If that's the case then giving up 32 at Autzen isn't some unforgivable offense. Even projecting forward to the playoffs, the only team other than Oregon for the 2nd or 3rd time I'd be worried about facing is Texas. Even then I need to see Texas do it against a good defense before I truly start shaking in my boots. Everyone else in the Top 10 has pretty glaring issues.

My disappointment just comes from my lofty expectations. I honestly believed this team would be talented enough and motivated enough to run roughshod over anything that got in their way, cementing themselves as arguably the best OSU team ever. Looking back that was probably a fool's errand. Even some of the all time greats have one stumble along the way.
 
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Watched more of the game.

Defense

Dillion Gabriel has an ugly throwing motion and his arm tops out pretty soon when driving the ball downfield. Combine that with the exaggerated windup, I'm shocked Knowles didn't send more pressures early. On that first bomb over Denzel, he had no business biting on that stutter. Looks like quarters to that side? Either way, Burke has underneath help expanding to the numbers from Hancock and nothing over top. That's just losing your head and not understanding where your help is at. If the receiver breaks this short and back down the stem, it has to be an incredibly placed ball from the farside hash to beat your coverage. Need to have better situational awareness and play more heads up.

The 3rd and 9 Bomb 2 for the TD - it was a 3 man rush, with your entire line dropping into their zones underneath. Man on the perimeter.
What's hilarious about this call, Ducks ran a switch to the boundary and got Downs on one of their receivers who was beat vertical as well. The point man in the stack to the trio side wasn't bumped or jammed before being turned over. He was given a free release against corners who are coached to play heavy at the chains and, reminding me of something coach Patterson at TCU said "Don't go until you know". So as long as the pass pro holds up, you're putting your corners in a hell of a bind. That's great coaching, recon and play calling from Oregon knowing our defensive tendency in those situations (heavy chains on 3rd)

NO idea what that call was on 2nd and 5 late. Bad communication between Ransom and Downs for a big conversion.


Our linebackers struggle in space, getting depth and anticipating route combos while minimizing the grey area in their zone calls. I feel like there's a lot of false steps in their work. The opposite of what I grew up watching with Hawk & Carp. They also don't key to attack the run fit as quickly as I'd like at times. So when they are late, I feel like they try to make up for it by being overly aggressive and getting burned the next time.

Our IDL play drew some ire from me last night. Ty at the shade, and how he plays at times really hurts the defense as a whole. I doubt he's being coached to read frontside pull from the center, shoot it, get down blocked and allow the center a free release onto the linebackers. Because it happened a couple times for chunk runs last night. In gap and power, you've got to fight past it or through it depending on what you read in front of you.

Our edges are good, not great. Like I said previously, they lake elite quick twitch off the corner. So to compensate, in passing downs/distances, they really scream upfield trying to bend and man do they open some clear running lanes that scramblers are going to exploit later this season if they don't clean that up ASAFP. JT and Sawyer aren't 1st round picks at the moment.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Ransom is a slow processor. He's slow in fit to cover, he's slow coming from depth, takes bad angles, questionable in space and a liability tackling and picking up coverage from back on a hash. As a DB, it's painful to watch. I know @RB07OSU played DB as well, and unless I'm high, I know he's seeing similar things. That TD run by Dillon is just the best example. Great safety play is like having 12 men on the field. Bad safety play is like having 10.

Oregon was only 6/14 (ouch, area code) on 3rd down. But 3 of those 3rd downs came against 3 man pressures, 1 for a bomb that setup a TD and the other for a big TD through the air. We call that a trend.


Offense.

Why did we go away from those weakside gap calls to Hendo? He was popping them early. Oregon's IDL was incredibly aggressive getting upfield. You can't pull your way out of that. The response from the coaching staff was correct and Hend broke off two back to back for big gains, then we punched it in 2 plays later. The Ducks had no answer even when they played the correct numbers game.

The late call against Smith was garbage. DB initiated contact, and Smith gave it back. He's just a freak freshman with incredible strength going against a DB much smaller than him. Refs should have swallowed that whistle.

Howard was decisive and on point early. The fumble and special teams travesty weren't his fault. This offense was on pace for another 10 points at minimum. He did great outside of play structure and creating opportunities - the TD to Smith putting the Bucks up 28-22 is one such example. He did get flustered later. On that fall down sack, he had Hendo wide open on the swing had his eyes gotten to the right spot. He actually missed him twice on that same drive trying to drive the ball to Smith. Jeremiah is a weapon, but you don't always have to force the 1on1 in these situations and lock in. Take the gift of given yards. This is going to come back to haunt him.


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Coach Day.

WAY too many attempts at vertical shots when the Bucks hit the 30 yard line with 35 seconds and one timeout left. You could have called in two plays, high(er) percentage throws. Hell, you could have gone back to the the QB centric running game and ground a few yards out on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. I can't help but to call into question some of the play design and what is being fed to the QB when you're almost in winning field goal range.




This defense won't get it done. Not through the meat of the B1G schedule and certainly not against those fucks up North. The tendencies are too much on film now. The biggest being how you can drive the ball downfield and outside if you have the pass pro because the corners are so aggressive at the chains on 3rd down. That has been a routine issue since 2022.

The offense was good early and got no help from the other side of the ball. Then, when they had the chance to win the game they got tight and sloppy.


Like I said above - consistency. If you aren't consistent, you aren't great. Oregon is a good team, but this is a game the Bucks had little business losing had they simply taken care of the football on offense and been more, shall I say 'patient' on defense'.

Defense is inexcusable. What I'm getting from this is that a side full of seniors in game 6 are undisciplined and out of position, and the 2nd level of the defense and Ransom are a liability. That sounds catastrophicly bad for what was supposed to be a dominant unit and says a lot about the ability of the coaches and DC to teach.

If Simmons doesn't go down, maybe the offense continues to develop and then dominate in the playoffs. Without him it's going to be much harder to even maintain what they've done so far.

My disappointment just comes from my lofty expectations. I honestly believed this team would be talented enough and motivated enough to run roughshod over anything that got in their way, cementing themselves as arguably the best OSU team ever. Looking back that was probably a fool's errand. Even some of the all time greats have one stumble along the way.

Me too. I should've known better, but with the talent and experience it was hard not to hope. I was thinking 2019 with more depth, but in reality it's 2019 without Chase, Hamilton, Werner and Okudah.
 
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I agree that they could have run the ball more. Unfortunately in the second half they were only averaging around 3.6 per rush without Simmons. I don't think they would have been able to get to the 15. They still might have been able to get to the edge of Fielding's range.
12 carries for 19 yds is what i saw
 
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Defense is inexcusable. What I'm getting from this is that a side full of seniors in game 6 are undisciplined and out of position, and the 2nd level of the defense and Ransom are a liability. That sounds catastrophicly bad for what was supposed to be a dominant unit and says a lot about the ability of the coaches and DC to teach.

If Simmons doesn't go down, maybe the offense continues to develop and then dominate in the playoffs. Without him it's going to be much harder to even maintain what they've done so far.



Me too. I should've known better, but with the talent and experience it was hard not to hope. I was thinking 2019 with more depth, but in reality it's 2019 without Chase, Hamilton, Werner and Okudah.

Or Harrison, or Fuller lol
 
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Is this on the DL, DL coach, Burke, or anyone other than Knowles? I'm going with Knowles.

Dropped all 4 DL back in a 10-yard radius of one another while only rushing the 2 LBs. 4 DBs in single man coverage.



Jesus Christ, the fact that that's part of the defensive playbook, let alone got used in a game of that magnitude...staggering, and depressing
 
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Guess I’m one of the very few who liked the pass call. Just couldn’t have the OPI. Would have set up a high percentage FG with no time left. Sometimes, it’s the execution and not the scheme/decision.

The defense, on the other hand, needs some hard decisions made before we play PSU.
Here's the thing - you run the ball with Howard twice, lets say you get 3 yards each time (and that's being generous to Oregon). Now you're at the 22 yard line and it's a 39 yard field goal.

Earlier that quarter he absolutely nailed a 40 yarder, right down the middle, at the top of the uprights....
 
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12 carries for 19 yds is what i saw
That is what the official stats line says. I went back and eliminated the Howard fumble/recovery, the sack on the final drive and the last run. It should have been 9 carries for 26 yards with an average of 2.8 yards on strictly running plays. Choosing the median would give you 3 yards per attempt. That would have gotten them down to the 19 if they choose to run after reaching the 28, time permitting. That would leave a makable 36 yard attempt.
 
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Jesus Christ, the fact that that's part of the defensive playbook, let alone got used in a game of that magnitude...staggering, and depressing

Has to be some sort of miscommunication where Ransom and the DL thought the other was supposed to be rushing.

Not much better, though. Another ineffective blitz with no help over the top in which a group of seniors get confused. It's like watching the worst parts of '22 and '23. Total clusterfuck.
 
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Has to be some sort of miscommunication where Ransom and the DL thought the other was supposed to be rushing.

Not much better, though. Another ineffective blitz with no help over the top in which a group of seniors get confused. It's like watching the worst parts of '22 and '23. Total clusterfuck.

Honestly, you're on point, there's no way that's an intended design. So disappointing to see miscommunication like that from a veteran group.
 
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