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'08 PA ATH Cameron Saddler (Pitt signee)

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jwinslow;895110; said:
Woods has 5-6 inches on Saddler, and can play corner.

Cam is a player on the HS level. His size is much more of a question mark than Woods'.
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You hit the nail on the head...Saddler is an outstanding player on the HS level. I know Gateway faces great competition but I think things will change significantly at the college level. He could prove us all wrong but the odds are against him. Like grad said, you can list a couple of shorter players that did well but they aren't the rule, they are the exception. Is Cam worth offering to get Hale? Maybe we are confident on landing Hale without Saddler...maybe it isn't worth it. I am on neither side here...whatever that staff decides to do is fine by me.
 
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One aspect of this discussion I don't see happening or want to see happening...offering Saddler to get Hale.

If Cam earns an offer on his own merit...great.

However, offering a kid just to get another piece of the puzzle is asking for trouble...especially when the "gift" offer is the leader of the two and is very influential in the relationship.

To me, that is just asking for problems.
 
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osugrad21;895215; said:
One aspect of this discussion I don't see happening or want to see happening...offering Saddler to get Hale.

If Cam earns an offer on his own merit...great.

However, offering a kid just to get another piece of the puzzle is asking for trouble...especially when the "gift" offer is the leader of the two and is very influential in the relationship.

To me, that is just asking for problems.
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I agree. Can you imagine offering Saddler to get Hale. And then, for some really strange reason, Saddler chose tOSU and Hale didn't? Ouch. You just can't do that.
 
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matcar;895276; said:
I agree. Can you imagine offering Saddler to get Hale. And then, for some really strange reason, Saddler chose tOSU and Hale didn't? Ouch. You just can't do that.
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Nor can you offer Saddler to get Hale because what happens when Hale is getting PT and Saddler is sitting the bench, buried on the depth chart. Then you could end with a real bad situation.(Saddler wanting to transfer, and wanting Hale to leave with him) Not saying this would be the case but it would be a possibility
 
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There are two valid reasons which warrant giving an offer: Need and merit. Do we need someone at this prospect's position, and does the prospect merit the offer on his own? If the answer to either question is "No", then you don't offer...
 
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I don't see why we should offer Saddler. Honesly. We've got as good a shot at Hale as anybody even without offering Saddler. If Hale doesn't comer here, then it wasn't meant to be. Besides, I think the scout/rivals people are trying to make the "package" deal bigger than it is to appease the other 2-3 teams begging for Hale's services. Both of them are doing that because those teams want to be in our shoes right now for where we're sitting with Hale. In one of those updates, he goes into detail about OSU and says one sentence about each of the other schools he's interested in. That told me a lot.

Seriously though... what could Saddler bring to this team that we already don't have? We've got MoWells, Small, Robiskie, JamO already returning punts and kicks with Saine, Clifford, Sanzenbacher, etc. waiting in the wings and Thomas as a guy who could be a difference maker there too if he decides to commit in this class. We got a plethora of guys in last year's recruiting class that will get a chance at WR before Stoneburner & Co. see the field. He's not going to see time at RB in D-1A ,and unless he's the next Antoine Winfield skill-wise or the next Teddy Ginn speed-wise, I don't see him at CB either. I mean, if he's going up against Stoneburner, he's giving up literally a foot in height.

If Saddler comes here, he'll sit the bench for 5 years. I love Hale, but I'm not willing to give up 2 schollarships to get him.
 
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Some in this discussion are referring to an offer to Saddler as a 'gift' while others claim he'd sit on the bench for 5 years, as if he is totally unqualified. That's simply not true. He's a very gifted athlete. And he happens also to be an excellent student.

We should leave machismo [he's too short] and emotionality [we shouldn't be extorted into a deal by Hale] out of this discussion and focus strictly on the players in question. What would be so terrible about getting a national top 10 LB and a national top 50 ATH to commit to tOSU on the same day?! SCUM, WVA and a couple of other very good programs would be tickled pink if that were to happen to them.

We've got 8 or 9 scholarships left this year. Leaving aside Hale, do we truly have 7 or 8 recruits likely to accept an offer who are clearly superior to Saddler? I'm not so sure we do.

Saddler could be a terrific third down back and kick returner. Plenty of guys have made their mark by being good at those two important specialty plays. Offering a guy who can score TDs off kicks and punts isn't a 'gift'. It may be a very smart thing to do, particularly if it seals the deal with Hale.
 
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Note: I'm a big Cam fan, after watching him last saturday. I'm not sure if he's OSU caliber based on size alone. The heart, speed, plqymaking ability are there.
Leaving aside Hale, do we truly have 7 or 8 recruits likely to accept an offer who are clearly superior to Saddler? I'm not so sure we do.
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Scott, Thomas, Jenkins, Thompson, Coples, Mobley, Adams. Plus there are ALWAYS a few kids that pop up late in the process (Robiskie, Washington, etc.)

OSU is also in the mix for: Floyd, Sabino, Bayless, etc.
Some in this discussion are referring to an offer to Saddler as a 'gift' while others claim he'd sit on the bench for 5 years, as if he is totally unqualified. That's simply not true. He's a very gifted athlete. And he happens also to be an excellent student.
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Perhaps he will prove his doubters wrong, perhaps not. After proving himself in game 1, can he overcome the physicality of a 12 game b10 season?

I'm looking forward to seeing him against Mooney. It will be early in the season, and so he should be fairly fresh. How will he respond to colliding with Zordich, Beachum, Hill, McCarthy & Simon for 4 quarters? Heart should not be a question from what I've seen, but how will his body hold up? That's a nasty HS defense.
We should leave machismo [he's too short] and emotionality [we shouldn't be extorted into a deal by Hale] out of this discussion and focus strictly on the players in question. What would be so terrible about getting a national top 10 LB and a national top 50 ATH to commit to tOSU on the same day?! SCUM, WVA and a couple of other very good programs would be tickled pink if that were to happen to them.
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You're picking and choosing which numbers we're allowed to use? His size/strength seem a lot more relevant than where scout.com has him ranked. JMO.
Saddler could be a terrific third down back and kick returner.
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He's 10-20 lbs lighter than Teddy. I wouldn't feel very good about him playing RB in the b10, even on 3rd down.
 
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FritoBandito;895397; said:
Some in this discussion are referring to an offer to Saddler as a 'gift' while others claim he'd sit on the bench for 5 years, as if he is totally unqualified. That's simply not true. He's a very gifted athlete.
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Sounds a lot like Bam Childress...
 
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jwinslow;895110; said:
Woods has 5-6 inches on Saddler, and can play corner.

Cam is a player on the HS level. His size is much more of a question mark than Woods'.
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When you said that the staff eyeballed saddler and chose not to offer at that point, I understand what you are saying fully. I know they are proven in their judgement as I am just an obsessive compulsive football fan. BUT i honestly feel that Cameron Saddler is "tougher" than woods. He is not quite the physical specimen that woods is granted. But, I think Saddler has walked the walk more so than woods, even at 5-5.

Edit: I think that Shayne Hale committing to us in any way would solidify our chances with Pryor, Jenkins, Scott, Fuller, Thomas, et al. That would complete the class.
 
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Making an offer as part of a package deal is also a dangerous precedent. Guys in the '09 and '10 classes will see that, and some could decide to try the same thing. It could create some ill will when it's not done again, and potentially cause problems.

I firmly believe each offer needs to be made solely on the merits of the individual.
 
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I doubt if Saddler would even be interested in an offer. With 20+ offers, apparently his size is only an issue with you guys. Package deals aren't realistic, Saddler is the better athlete of the two, Hale has the size, of the two I'd take Saddler on my team. His knowledge, leadership,skill level, is the type of winning player I want on my team.
 
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deccocca;896707; said:
I doubt if Saddler would even be interested in an offer. With 20+ offers, apparently his size is only an issue with you guys. Package deals aren't realistic, Saddler is the better athlete of the two, Hale has the size, of the two I'd take Saddler on my team. His knowledge, leadership,skill level, is the type of winning player I want on my team.
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I'm not sure if this is a serious post or not..
But his size is an issue for most major programs.. He has 20+ offers, but look at how many offers he doesn't have, that Hale does..
He's a terrific athlete and, from what I've heard, a great leader and great guy. But at top programs, with top competition, he just might not be able to do much more than return kicks.

And by implying that you would take Saddler over Hale because of his "knowledge, leadership, and skill level" implies that Hale has neither? That's a completely unfounded statement and is pretty unfair to Hale.
 
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deccocca;896707; said:
I doubt if Saddler would even be interested in an offer. With 20+ offers, apparently his size is only an issue with you guys. Package deals aren't realistic, Saddler is the better athlete of the two, Hale has the size, of the two I'd take Saddler on my team. His knowledge, leadership,skill level, is the type of winning player I want on my team.
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Unless a player is one "you will find a spot for no matter what", I assume that the staff looks at need and I don't see a compelling case even if Saddler is an outstanding athlete.
 
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