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'08 OH RB/LB Devoe Torrence (Akron signee, transfer to ??)

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Great News! I am so happy for Devoe and the rest of the Torrence family. I cannot imagine the sort of emotional trauma this whole episode must have caused. I wish Devoe all the very best, and I hope that he lands up in a top school and onto even greater things after that.
 
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jazzman;1202109; said:
Great News! I am so happy for Devoe and the rest of the Torrence family. I cannot imagine the sort of emotional trauma this whole episode must have caused. I wish Devoe all the very best, and I hope that he lands up in a top school and onto even greater things after that.
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Agreed. Wish him and his family the best.

I hope that he does well where ever he should land, less tsun. Let's hope that this brush makes him consider how fragile our place here in this world is... and that he makes the most of what will hopefully be a very bright future.


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That article doesn't completely spell out how this acquittal came about. It sounds like the girl now admitted she lied about her encounter w/ Devoe? I wonder how much evidence they actually had on him in the first place . . . .
 
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sepia5;1202156; said:
That article doesn't completely spell out how this acquittal came about. It sounds like the girl now admitted she lied about her encounter w/ Devoe? I wonder how much evidence they actually had on him in the first place . . . .
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As I read it, she admitted that she has lied about other things. That raises reasonable doubt. Now, it is true that liars lie. But it is not true that because liars lie, they lie all of the time - about everything.

If you have underage sex with a messed up 12 year old who initiates it, it is still a crime. But if you did, the fact that she is a messed up (a 12 year old engaging in sex is a little messed up) girl who has issues can be a great help in beating the charge. Juries should never convict on the word of an admitted messed up liar when it is a "he said - she said. "

The verdict is correct legally. I hope that he goes somewhere and gets an education and contributes to society. But if the story about the ring of young girls who were passed around by athletes at the school is true, he might have dodged a bullet because the girl was so messed up. He is legally innocent of the crime, absolutely....but then, so O.J. is innocent too.

And no, I am not saying that he is like O.J., or that he is not a good kid, or that we should assume him guilty after the verdict. I'm just saying that a verdict in any court means a lot of things. It does mean that he was found innocent by his peers of charges. It does mean that he is not a criminal. But a verdict is not a certificate of authenticity on what actually happened factually, it is a certificate that the charges were not sustainable under a certain burden of proof, and that he is legally innocent.

I wish him - and even the girl - the best of future health and happiness. How sad that it ever got to this step.
 
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Gatorubet;1202171; said:
As I read it, she admitted that she has lied about other things. That raises reasonable doubt. Now, it is true that liars lie. But it is not true that because liars lie, they lie all of the time - about everything.

If you have underage sex with a messed up 12 year old who initiates it, it is still a crime. But if you did, the fact that she is a messed up (a 12 year old engaging in sex is a little messed up) girl who has issues can be a great help in beating the charge. Juries should never convict on the word of an admitted messed up liar when it is a "he said - she said. "

The verdict is correct legally. I hope that he goes somewhere and gets an education and contributes to society. But if the story about the ring of young girls who were passed around by athletes at the school is true, he might have dodged a bullet because the girl was so messed up. He is legally innocent of the crime, absolutely....but then, so O.J. is innocent too.

And no, I am not saying that he is like O.J., or that he is not a good kid, or that we should assume him guilty after the verdict. I'm just saying that a verdict in any court means a lot of things. It does mean that he was found innocent by his peers of charges. It does mean that he is not a criminal. But a verdict is not a certificate of authenticity on what actually happened factually, it is a certificate that the charges were not sustainable under a certain burden of proof, and that he is legally innocent.

I wish him - and even the girl - the best of future health and happiness. How sad that it ever got to this step.
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Got ya. I think maybe I'm just not familiar with the juvenile process. I take it from reading that that there is no jury in juvenile proceedings.
 
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The difference between the OJ case and Devoe's case is that OJ's victims were not around to testify. When the girl was asked to explain what happened with Devoe, her initial response was she did not recall. She was there - if she didn't know, who would know? Describing the use of a condom by a 12 year old who was sexually active proves nothing more than she knows about condom use in a sexual encounter.
 
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sepia5;1202182; said:
Got ya. I think maybe I'm just not familiar with the juvenile process. I take it from reading that that there is no jury in juvenile proceedings.
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I just caught that he was tried as a juvenile. You are right. But same standard, whether a judge or jury, reasonable doubt. I was not trying to say that he did it and should be presumed a rapist forever. I'm just saying that a not guilty verdict does not mean that it may not have happened - just that there was reasonable doubt.

So I guess the reason I posted at all is to say that the issue of whether Tress would want to recruit him (or not) won't be cleared up just by the verdict. Not enough facts to know if the kid was a victim of a horrible travesty of justice, or if he beat the rap.

I'm not sure, but didn't he have some academic issues as well?
 
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Gatorubet;1202192; said:
So I guess the reason I posted at all is to say that the issue of whether Tress would want to recruit him (or not) won't be cleared up just by the verdict. Not enough facts to know if the kid was a victim of a horrible travesty of justice, or if he beat the rap.

I'm not sure, but didn't he have some academic issues as well?
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Yes but I believe the academic issues stemmed from the drama. I'm glad everyone handled the situation like they did but I'm with gator here...I am really surprised to see DeVoe acquitted, but the best of luck to him.
 
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