Yankees-Indians Blockbuster Trade Rumor

[AKAK]

I agree both sides would have to look at the deal, but unless Cleveland frees up a ton of money, I don't see why they would do this. Trading Sizemore for a 3B prospect and a pitching prospect means they would have to look at moving guys like Boone and some of the pitchers in their already overstocked rotation and bullpen at Buffalo.

Shapiro will alway look to add good arms... so... whatever... but not for Sizemore.

 

[wadc45]

Agreed, but they are seriously getting to the point where they have too many decent arms in Buffalo. Guys who probably should be in the rotation are going to long relief in the bullpen to make room for other pitching prospects. They need to do a better job of spreading the talent across the farm system. While I agree there is not a snowball's chance in hell that they deal Sizemore, if they do make a move that involves getting pitching prospects back, they are going to have to fix this little problem they have going on in Buffalo.

I thought Ryan Ludwick would pan out, but at this point is does not look likely. I think Crisp and Sizemore will make a great OF tandem for years to come, but they need to keep Casey in the lineup so they can bolster his trade value and then ship him out of town. Same goes for Aaron Boone.

Hopefully Brandon Phillips turns out to be as good as we all hope too...

 

[DCBuckFan]

wadc45: "I agree both sides would have to look at the deal, but unless Cleveland frees up a ton of money, I don't see why they would do this."

Agree with you 100%. If I was Cleveland, I wouldn't do it. My only point of contention is that its not such a lopsided deal in the fashion that DCBuckFan, LoKy, Oh8ch, AmeriBuck, etc. make it out to be. To throw up your arms, and demand Cano & more prospects is absolutely ridiculous ..

The deal is pretty even, and one to consider (but not pull the trigger on) for both sides. Kindof like the proposed Joe D.-Ted Williams swap in the mid-40's.

So, 3 proven Major league players are the equal of 2 guys that have shown nothing at all on the ML level??? I know that the NY hype machine makes every prospect seem like the latest greatest (Ricky Ledee?) but Sizemore is IMO among the 5 best young players in baseball... Also, how desperate is NY for LHP in thier bullpen? Not to mention a solid starter? They need this deal, not the Indians, so just like the expos, etc, they need to pay for that need.

 

[AKAK]

Hopefully Brandon Phillips turns out to be as good as we all hope too...

Well... see this is the reason I mentioned Peralta possibly moving to 3rd in the future.

Its that great catch 22 of positional value... Thing with Phillips is that he's not turned out to be quite the hitter thay had hoped. But he's still young... a good athlete and lights-out fielder.... thus his value to the team increases as a defensive SS.

Conversly, moving Peralta to third decreases his value (Comparatively) as he goes from being an above average Offensive SS to probably an Average or below Average Offensive Third baseman. (Now... that's based on what he's done this year. The guy has always hit at every level, and probably always will.... but is he Joe Randa or Troy Glaus?)

But... if you can pull that off, you can replace some of the difference in the losses by having an offensive oriented 2B... which may or may not be Belliard... likely Not, IMO.

This is essentially the same issue I saw with Casey Blake Moving from third to RF... If we take last year's numbers... (Because both of Boone and Blake have jsut sucked beyond belief this year) you then move Blake's above average 3B numbers and he becomes an average or below average Offensive RF-- or first baseman-- (I mention that because he would have seen some time there too, had Gonzlez not ripped his hammy off his thigh bone)

Having said all that it is nice to have the flexibility in the lineup... but it doesn't matter much if everyone hits like a back up catcher.

Finally... though no specific rumors... Nevin Nixed his trade to Baltimore. I wonder if that puts Blake or Boone in Play.

 

[Sloopy45]

DCBuckFan: "So, 3 proven Major league players are the equal of 2 guys that have shown nothing at all on the ML level???"

Dude, Milwood & Rhodes are throw-ins. The Indians don't have much use for them in the future. The trade is essentially Sizemore for Duncan & Henn. Which is not lopsided.

"I know that the NY hype machine makes every prospect seem like the latest greatest (Ricky Ledee?)"

No one EVER hyped Ledee up to be a star. He was a major league prospect, and that's what he turned out to be. The Mets overhype up their prospects, not the Yanks. The Yankees have even had a ton of guys who weren't hyped up at all & turned out to be stars: Andy Pettite, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano, etc. When the Yanks say that an upcoming guy is a star, he usually pans out: Jeter, Soriano, Don Mattingly, etc. The only major prospect that didn't turn out as advertised is Nick Johnson, and I think we'd all agree that he is a talent, but very injury-prone.

"They need this deal, not the Indians, so just like the expos, etc, they need to pay for that need."

Dude, how much more can ANY organization give up in a deal than their best position prospect (viewed by everybody as a future star) & their 2nd best pitching prospect?? I mean, come on - you're giving up a great young player, and getting two (one of whom is a pitcher) in return.

 

[AKAK]

I mean, come on - you're giving up a great young player, and getting two (one of whom is a pitcher) in return.

Ummm... no we're not.

 

[tsteele316]

DCBuckFan: "So, 3 proven Major league players are the equal of 2 guys that have shown nothing at all on the ML level???"

Dude, Milwood & Rhodes are throw-ins. The Indians don't have much use for them in the future. The trade is essentially Sizemore for Duncan & Henn. Which is not lopsided.

"I know that the NY hype machine makes every prospect seem like the latest greatest (Ricky Ledee?)"

No one EVER hyped Ledee up to be a star. He was a major league prospect, and that's what he turned out to be. The Mets overhype up their prospects, not the Yanks. The Yankees have even had a ton of guys who weren't hyped up at all & turned out to be stars: Andy Pettite, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano, etc. When the Yanks say that an upcoming guy is a star, he usually pans out: Jeter, Soriano, Don Mattingly, etc. The only major prospect that didn't turn out as advertised is Nick Johnson, and I think we'd all agree that he is a talent, but very injury-prone.

"They need this deal, not the Indians, so just like the expos, etc, they need to pay for that need."

Dude, how much more can ANY organization give up in a deal than their best position prospect (viewed by everybody as a future star) & their 2nd best pitching prospect?? I mean, come on - you're giving up a great young player, and getting two (one of whom is a pitcher) in return.

in addition to giving up a great young player (who is far more proven in the show) cleveland would also be giving up the #2 guy in saves in the AL and a started who is in the top 5 in ERA. To say Cleveland has no use for them because their contracts are up at the end of the season is silly and irrelevant to the entire trade debate. It's a 3 proven players for 2 unproven players deal any way you slice it. Typical yankees.

 

[Sloopy45]

tsteele316: "To say Cleveland has no use for them because their contracts are up at the end of the season is silly and irrelevant to the entire trade debate."

Is Cleveland going to resign either of them at the end of the year? No. Nuff said.

"It's a 3 proven players for 2 unproven players deal any way you slice it. Typical yankees."

Say what you want. The kids that the Yankees give up in these deals produce for the other club. Be it Nick Johnson, Alfonso Soriano, Ted Lilly, Eric Milton, Christian Guzman, Damaso Marte, Yhency Brazoban, Jake Westbrook, Mike Lowell, etc.

 

[Brutus1]

Dude, Milwood & Rhodes are throw-ins. The Indians don't have much use for them in the future. The trade is essentially Sizemore for Duncan & Henn. Which is not lopsided.

NOW YOU'RE REALLY TALKING STUPID. TYPICAL YANKEE FAN. MILWOOD'S THROWIN BETTER THAN ANY YANKEE STARTER SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT THROW IN BULL SHIT. THE YANKEE STARTERS BLOW AND ALL YANKEE FANS KNOW IT, UNIT'S OK, BUT FAR FROM WHAT THEY EXPECTED. MUSSINA, HE'S OK, BUT NO WHERE NEAR WHERE HE WAS IN HIS PRIME. WANG...TURD, PAVANO TAKES MORE HITS THAN RICKY WILLIAMS. YOU GUYS WILL GO NO WHERE WITH THOSE STARTERS.



No one EVER hyped Ledee up to be a star. He was a major league prospect, and that's what he turned out to be. The Mets overhype up their prospects, not the Yanks. The Yankees have even had a ton of guys who weren't hyped up at all & turned out to be stars: Andy Pettite, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano, etc. When the Yanks say that an upcoming guy is a star, he usually pans out: Jeter, Soriano, Don Mattingly, etc. The only major prospect that didn't turn out as advertised is Nick Johnson, and I think we'd all agree that he is a talent, but very injury-prone.

Brandon Claussen- he was hyped and stinks. Uh ,Ruben Rivera was super hyped and never amounted to anything.

Dude, how much more can ANY organization give up in a deal than their best position prospect (viewed by everybody as a future star) & their 2nd best pitching prospect?? I mean, come on - you're giving up a great young player, and getting two (one of whom is a pitcher) in return.[/QUOTE]

Just because they are their 2 top prospects doesn't mean a thing. It just shows how pathetic their system is. Duncan a clone of Wright ??? HAHAHAHAH. What about his current avg. of .238 is anywhere near Wrights' .341 in his last season in the minors? That would be a mjor upgrade for Cleveland : .210 Boone for .238 Duncan.

Go peddle that Yankee loving propaganda elsewhere, and while you're at it, kill that little birdie !!

 

[Piney]

Yankee scouts were recently seen at the Indians-Mariners series, but contrary to speculation, the Yankees scouts were not at the game to scout the Seattle players, but primarily to scout Cleveland's GRADY SIZEMORE.

The Yanks see Sizemore as their CF of the future, he's very young (22), and they say that his swing reminds them of a young Paul O'Neill.

God I love reading good comedy from the New York papers. Just like how LeBron was going to demand a trade this offseason to the Knicks, and that LeBron already has a deal in place from nike to make up for him signing for less money for the Knicks.

The Yanks can scout all they want but the Yankees are doing their pipe dreaming. Grady Sizemore is still growing and they have been projecting him as their future #3 hitter and he will eventually hit about 30 homers per year. It is funny that every baseball expert I have seen said the Yankees minor league system sucks so badly they don't have enough ammo to trade for anyone.

Now if the Yankees want an outfielder you can gladly have Coco Crisp.

Now if the Yankees really want help they would offer Duncan for Millwood straight up because Millwood will probable be the best pitcher available by July 31st. Then Shapiro might listen

 

[Sloopy45]

Brutus1: "NOW YOU'RE REALLY TALKING STUPID."

Yadda, yadda, yadda .. Is there a reason that an A's fan is so offended by this? Like the caps, btw ..

"MILWOOD'S THROWIN BETTER THAN ANY YANKEE STARTER SO DON'T GIVE ME THAT THROW IN BULL SHIT."

Millwood is pitching on a team that won't make the Playoffs, and will be gone at the end of the season. Why would the Indians keep him? Millwood would be the Yanks 5th Starter if they ever acquired him.

"Brandon Claussen- he was hyped and stinks. Uh ,Ruben Rivera was super hyped and never amounted to anything."

Nope, and nope. "Hype" in your mind amounts to stating that these guys are Major League, not star-Major League, prospects. Both those guys turned out EXACTLY to be what they were billed to be: major leaguers. The Reds got Claussen in exchange for Aaron Boone .. that should tell you how highly BC was thought of right there.

That would be the equivalent of me saying, 'Oh, Enrique Wilson & Russell Branyan were promised to be stars from the Indians system & didn't amount to shit.' Wilson & Branyan projected to be exactly what they are.

"Just because they are their 2 top prospects doesn't mean a thing. It just shows how pathetic their system is. Duncan a clone of Wright ??? HAHAHAHAH. What about his current avg. of .238 is anywhere near Wrights' .341 in his last season in the minors?"

You know two things about baseball if you're going to throw a Double A player's BA at me: JACK & SHIT. And oh yeah, Dipshit: Wright hit .300 in Rookie Ball, .266 in Low A, .270 at High A, .363 in Double A, & .298 in Triple A. Did you really want to get detailed on this??

Was his .266 & .270 in A-Ball an indicator of things to come? Don't think so .. this is Duncan's 3rd year in Pro Ball, and he's already in Double A.

"Go peddle that Yankee loving propaganda elsewhere, and while you're at it, kill that little birdie !!"

Damn, son. Time for you to get laid. Seriously.

Piney: "It is funny that every baseball expert I have seen said the Yankees minor league system sucks so badly they don't have enough ammo to trade for anyone."

Hmm. These people may chirp, but last year the Yankees system produced Yhency Brazoban, who has 18 saves for the Dodgers & Brad Halsey, who's in the running for Rookie Pitcher of the Year in the NL this season. And oh yeah, what about this season? Robinson Cano & Chien-Mien Wang .. the Yanks also have two of the best prospects in baseball in Duncan & righthander Philip Hughes.

Did you want to get in depth about the Yanks system, or were you just talking out of your ass?

 

[scarletandgrey]

It's a shame that this would even be considered a trade. It should be considered a yankee fantasy.

"Millwood is pitching on a team that won't make the Playoffs, and will be gone at the end of the season. Why would the Indians keep him? Millwood would be the Yanks 5th Starter if they ever acquired him."

Your speculating on this. the tribe still has a reasonable shot at the wild card being 3.5 games back with plenty of ball still to be played.

 

[Sloopy45]

scarletandgrey: "It's a shame that this would even be considered a trade. It should be considered a yankee fantasy."

You Indians fans kill me. I never said the Indians should or will do this deal. Just because you've never heard of these two kids doesn't mean its a lopsided deal. Three years ago, you hadn't heard of Grady Sizemore either. And I remember these same Indians fans crying about how bad a deal it was to trade Colon back then.

I've always never thought much about the baseball IQ of MOST (not all, before some of you go flying off the handle), Indians fans, and this seals it. I guess not knowing that there actually is a ML Baseball team in your city for 3 decades does affect your brain.

The funny thing is, if I had said that the rumor was Grady Sizemore for a package of Rick Vaughn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Taylor, & Willie Mays Hayes, most of you would be like, "Great! I'd love to have those guys back on the team!"

Here's what an AL Executive (believed to be Shapiro) said about Sean Henn:

"An executive who recently saw the southpaw at Columbus said: "I like Sean Henn. He's legit. He throws his fastball 91-93 [mph], has an 88-89 cutter that bites hard and late. He has a pretty good slider. That cutter gives him something to attack righty hitters with. He doesn't have a feel for his changeup, but he is a changeup away from being a good starting pitcher. My only concern is his health history [Henn has had Tommy John surgery], but if you watch him pitch, he does not show anything that makes you worry about his health."

A package of Henn & Duncan is good enough to get 99.99% of the players in baseball on the table in trade talks. Even Grady Sizemore. Whether or not the trigger gets pulled is another conversation altogehter, but Shapiro would be a dope not to listen to that.

 

[exhawg]

It's a shame that this would even be considered a trade. It should be considered a yankee fantasy.

"Millwood is pitching on a team that won't make the Playoffs, and will be gone at the end of the season. Why would the Indians keep him? Millwood would be the Yanks 5th Starter if they ever acquired him."

Your speculating on this. the tribe still has a reasonable shot at the wild card being 3.5 games back with plenty of ball still to be played.

The Tribe plays the blind sisters of the poor for most of August. If their bats can heat up a little they could put together a good run and take over the wild card lead.

 

[Brutus1]

Yadda, yadda, yadda .. Is there a reason that an A's fan is so offended by this? Like the caps, btw ..

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Millwood is pitching on a team that won't make the Playoffs, and will be gone at the end of the season. Why would the Indians keep him? Millwood would be the Yanks 5th Starter if they ever acquired him.

Nope, and nope. "Hype" in your mind amounts to stating that these guys are Major League, not star-Major League, prospects. Both those guys turned out EXACTLY to be what they were billed to be: major leaguers. The Reds got Claussen in exchange for Aaron Boone .. that should tell you how highly BC was thought of right there.

That would be the equivalent of me saying, 'Oh, Enrique Wilson & Russell Branyan were promised to be stars from the Indians system & didn't amount to shit.' Wilson & Branyan projected to be exactly what they are.


You know two things about baseball if you're going to throw a Double A player's BA at me: JACK & SHIT. And oh yeah, Dipshit: Wright hit .300 in Rookie Ball, .266 in Low A, .270 at High A, .363 in Double A, & .298 in Triple A. Did you really want to get detailed on this??

Was his .266 & .270 in A-Ball an indicator of things to come? Don't think so .. this is Duncan's 3rd year in Pro Ball, and he's already in Double A.

Damn, son. Time for you to get laid. Seriously.

1) Sorry about the caps. I realized it after I wrote it and wasn't about to re-write. Not offended as an A's fan. Just more Yankee bs that needed to be called for what it is: bullshit
2) Millwood the Yankees 5th? Another laugher. Those 4 (supposedly) in front of him will be the reason you don't win the ws.
3)Nope. I specifically remember both players being talked about how they're going to be stars in the bigs, not just major leaguers. Again, you're wrong Yankee boy. You Yankee fans live in a fantasy world.
4)You're the Einstein that called hm a Wright 'Clone'. Let's see, if we compare stats in the same league and Duncan hits .238 and Wright hits .363 , then those numbers tell me sure, he's a clone. I know enough about baseball to know that you're an idiot. There's not one GM in baseball (well, Cashman would) that would trade Duncan for Wright. Who told you he was a clone? The NY Post ?

If that pitcher was anything but a big turd, he'd still be in NY starting for the Wanks. Boy, he's really pitching well for the Clippers!

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