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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

Like I said before if they arent going to play him, I want them to trade him, for his sake. There's no way in hell he shouldnt be back there returning kickoffs at least. I dont terribly mind Bess doing the punt returning while Ginn is working on is recieving but the kick off duty should be his and his alone. Yesterday he was WIDE open several times going deep and either Pennington didnt throw it or didnt see him. Thats been the case most of the year thus far. Ted doesnt have the shiftiness that Camarillo or Bess have in the breaks due to his running style so he isnt getting as much separation on his moves but his release is greatly improved. All they want to do is throw him the quick hitch and see if he can make people miss. Throw him the slant or the deep ins/outs and let him move in space more and he'll be fine. Gross misuse of his skill set right now and it looks like its killing his confidence.
 
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Bestbuck36;1291309; said:
Like I said before if they arent going to play him, I want them to trade him, for his sake. There's no way in hell he shouldnt be back there returning kickoffs at least. I dont terribly mind Bess doing the punt returning while Ginn is working on is recieving but the kick off duty should be his and his alone. Yesterday he was WIDE open several times going deep and either Pennington didnt throw it or didnt see him. Thats been the case most of the year thus far. Ted doesnt have the shiftiness that Camarillo or Bess have in the breaks due to his running style so he isnt getting as much separation on his moves but his release is greatly improved. All they want to do is throw him the quick hitch and see if he can make people miss. Throw him the slant or the deep ins/outs and let him move in space more and he'll be fine. Gross misuse of his skill set right now and it looks like its killing his confidence.

Those throws aren't made because Chad doesn't have an NFL arm...again, Teddy doesn't have a chance with a weak-armed QB. Teddy is a deep ball threat and Miami doesn't have a deep ball QB.

This whole thing is pretty straightforward. Miami fans will feel pretty stupid once Teddy gets onto a team where the QB will throw longer than a 20 yard pass unless it's a gadget play designed to get a streaking RB wide open off a double reverse flea flicker. That's the only way Chad has a strong enough arm to throw downfield. Otherwise, it is all underneath crap, and that doesn't suit Teddy well.
 
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billmac91;1291384; said:
Those throws aren't made because Chad doesn't have an NFL arm...again, Teddy doesn't have a chance with a weak-armed QB. Teddy is a deep ball threat and Miami doesn't have a deep ball QB.

This whole thing is pretty straightforward. Miami fans will feel pretty stupid once Teddy gets onto a team where the QB will throw longer than a 20 yard pass unless it's a gadget play designed to get a streaking RB wide open off a double reverse flea flicker. That's the only way Chad has a strong enough arm to throw downfield. Otherwise, it is all underneath crap, and that doesn't suit Teddy well.

No one is going to like this but the truth is that Teddy isn't a particularly good receiver. In college, he could exploit the fact that he was considerably faster than almost everyone on the field and the defenders simply weren't that talented or disciplined. In the NFL, you can't get by very often on talent alone. You have to master the skill, but Teddy seems to be struggling to read the defenses and position himself correctly. Then there were the added mental lapses after catching the ball a week ago. Teddy came out of college pretty raw as a receiver and it shows. Yeah, he's still faster than everyone, but the margin isn't the same and his other weaknesses render his advantages less.....advantageous.

Teddy can still improve and be what everyone hopes him to be, but it's obviously going to be a whole lot more work to get there than say...Santonio. The differences between Holmes and Ginn are considerable.

As a side note, one wonders, at this point, why Teddy was so raw coming out of school...I mean we had him for 3 years doing this. Is there something that the staff DIDN'T do to help him along?
 
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matcar;1291416; said:
No one is going to like this but the truth is that Teddy isn't a particularly good receiver. In college, he could exploit the fact that he was considerably faster than almost everyone on the field and the defenders simply weren't that talented or disciplined. In the NFL, you can't get by very often on talent alone. You have to master the skill, but Teddy seems to be struggling to read the defenses and position himself correctly. Then there were the added mental lapses after catching the ball a week ago. Teddy came out of college pretty raw as a receiver and it shows. Yeah, he's still faster than everyone, but the margin isn't the same and his other weaknesses render his advantages less.....advantageous.

Teddy can still improve and be what everyone hopes him to be, but it's obviously going to be a whole lot more work to get there than say...Santonio. The differences between Holmes and Ginn are considerable.

As a side note, one wonders, at this point, why Teddy was so raw coming out of school...I mean we had him for 3 years doing this. Is there something that the staff DIDN'T do to help him along?

Teddy and Santonio weren't in the same league as far as route running goes...Santonio also played WR in high school and has years of experience on Teddy.

The problem, is Teddy needs his speed to be a threat. Teamed with Chad it isn't, nobody respects the deep throw. If Teddy played with someone who could get the ball down the field, the underneath stuff becomes available.

Santana Moss became a much better receiver once he got out of New York playing with Chad. And Chad isn't a bad QB, he just isn't a speed receivers friend. The guys that do best with him, are great route runners and possesion receivers. Teddy is neither.

Put him opposite TO in Dallas, Moss in NE, Edwards in Cleveland.....and he becomes deadly. I think the Miami coaching staff understands this too, as they haven;t be overly harsh on him....Chad is a stop-gap at QB until Henne is ready, and at that point Teddy becomes a great weapon. Right now he's just an undersized, unusable talent.
 
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billmac91;1292111; said:
Teddy and Santonio weren't in the same league as far as route running goes...Santonio also played WR in high school and has years of experience on Teddy.

The problem, is Teddy needs his speed to be a threat. Teamed with Chad it isn't, nobody respects the deep throw. If Teddy played with someone who could get the ball down the field, the underneath stuff becomes available.

Santana Moss became a much better receiver once he got out of New York playing with Chad. And Chad isn't a bad QB, he just isn't a speed receivers friend. The guys that do best with him, are great route runners and possesion receivers. Teddy is neither.

Put him opposite TO in Dallas, Moss in NE, Edwards in Cleveland.....and he becomes deadly. I think the Miami coaching staff understands this too, as they haven;t be overly harsh on him....Chad is a stop-gap at QB until Henne is ready, and at that point Teddy becomes a great weapon. Right now he's just an undersized, unusable talent.

It's more than that...much more. Teddy can no longer win on speed alone. That's the rub...he's gotta get much better at the things Santonio (as you've noted) is much better at. Otherwise, Teddy will always be marginal.
 
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matcar;1292304; said:
It's more than that...much more. Teddy can no longer win on speed alone. That's the rub...he's gotta get much better at the things Santonio (as you've noted) is much better at. Otherwise, Teddy will always be marginal.

Do you consider Donte Stallonworth marginal? Honest question.....I think Teddy was a reach at #7, but he is worthless in a offense that doesn't test teams deep. He can be as good as a Donte Stallonsworth as long as he gets put in the right position.

You're right that he cant win on speed alone, but speed WILL ALWAYS be his best attribute. Take away anyones best attribute and they are likely to struggle. Ted is 5'10, 180 lbs...he isn't going to be an effective possesion receiver, and the QB can't throw it more than 40 yards. How effective can he be? My biggest beef is hearing that Miami locals are ripping him, when he isn't in a position to succeed. The same people ripping him right now, will love him once Henne supplants Pennington.

Taken with a grain of salt b/c it was preseason....but Teddy looked very sharp. He was getting behind defenses, but more importantly, getting the intermediate catches. Intermediate catches were solely based upon DB's respecting the deep throw though. When you can press Ted at the los without ANY worry of him beating you deep, you've won as a CB. You know Chad isn't going up top, so you jump everything underneath.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1289784; said:
I really don't understand what's going on. He received great reviews over the offseason. He's not even involved in the return game anymore even after all of last year's td's and that pr td against KC in the preseason. Hope he hasn't given up on himself.
This doesn't really concern the return game, but Ted Ginn and Chad Pennington are about as poor a WR-QB match as you can draw up. Ginn needs a QB who can pass more than 15 yards downfield.
 
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billmac91;1292312; said:
Do you consider Donte Stallonworth marginal? Honest question.....I think Teddy was a reach at #7, but he is worthless in a offense that doesn't test teams deep. He can be as good as a Donte Stallonsworth as long as he gets put in the right position.

You're right that he cant win on speed alone, but speed WILL ALWAYS be his best attribute. Take away anyones best attribute and they are likely to struggle. Ted is 5'10, 180 lbs...he isn't going to be an effective possesion receiver, and the QB can't throw it more than 40 yards. How effective can he be? My biggest beef is hearing that Miami locals are ripping him, when he isn't in a position to succeed. The same people ripping him right now, will love him once Henne supplants Pennington.

Taken with a grain of salt b/c it was preseason....but Teddy looked very sharp. He was getting behind defenses, but more importantly, getting the intermediate catches. Intermediate catches were solely based upon DB's respecting the deep throw though. When you can press Ted at the los without ANY worry of him beating you deep, you've won as a CB. You know Chad isn't going up top, so you jump everything underneath.

He could be as good as several receivers if he improves his play...not because of the QB. I'm not saying that QB play doesn't have an impact because obviously it has SOME impact, but the majority of this is on Teddy. If he's going to live up to any of the expectations (which on this site are obviously too high) then he's going to have to make the changes and improvements. If Teddy is simply a one-dimensional WR, then he will never live up to expectations or frankly, to what Teddy wants to be.
 
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Ginn and Camarillo navigate unexpected career paths as pros

By CARLOS FR?AS
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 18, 2008

DAVIE ? Ted Ginn Jr. peeked through the circle of reporters and television cameras, trying to get a bead on his target.
Inside the huddle, Dolphins wide receiver Greg Camarillo was answering a question about the amazing ride that's carried him from the practice squad to No. 1 receiver and one of the most popular players on the team.

Continued............
 
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