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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

JWinslow is right! "The few passes he's seen have often been poor passes from Smith." When and if Smith gets better with his reads and passes, Ginn and the whole offense will benefit! :smash:

That being said, if like Herby says, the coachs have to yell at him to get lined up correctly, why is he starting?
 
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What if he is doing what is asked of him? Although the message board community is expecting him to part the Red Sea, what if he is doing his assignment according to what he is being asked to do? Judging solely on his Buckeyes, I would say he is grading out with consistence...

What we see on TV is not necessarily always the whole picture.
 
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What if he is doing what is asked of him? Although the message board community is expecting him to part the Red Sea, what if he is doing his assignment according to what he is being asked to do? Judging solely on his Buckeyes, I would say he is grading out with consistence...

What we see on TV is not necessarily always the whole picture.

I agree, we do not know for certain that he isn't doing exactly what is asked of him. However, I cannot get out of my head the words Herbie had to describe how Ginn was being repeatedly directed from the sideline to line up properly - so as to avoid an illegal formation penalty. That stuff is simply -- well straight forward. His head isn't in the game the way it was last year.

Consider - does this really look like the picture of a happy young man?

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What if he is doing what is asked of him? Although the message board community is expecting him to part the Red Sea, what if he is doing his assignment according to what he is being asked to do? Judging solely on his Buckeyes, I would say he is grading out with consistence...

What we see on TV is not necessarily always the whole picture.

Grad you always speak like a true coach. Most of us on here don't have a fraction of the knowledge that our coaches have, all we know is that we want to see wins, and when we don't we just bash and bash away.

If we make two fg's and don't throw that int, we are sitting at 6-0 and noone is complaing.

Now back to Teddy. I for one still love him, will still where is jersey to a game and root him on. With his talent he is bound to break out sometime.

It was the same when A-Rod was in his slump. I am sure NY people were bashing him, but he is trying and the big plays will come. (I hate using A-Rod but that was the first example that came to my head)
 
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What if he is doing what is asked of him? Although the message board community is expecting him to part the Red Sea, what if he is doing his assignment according to what he is being asked to do? Judging solely on his Buckeyes, I would say he is grading out with consistence...

What we see on TV is not necessarily always the whole picture.

Which is why I mentioned the game I saw in person. I agree, it is very difficult to understand what's going on downfield when watching on TV. Ginn was open all day against Iowa, well wait, let me clarify here. He was open all day on the short routes. I don't remember him being open when he ran the deeper routes. To me, and I admit, at the game you only get one look at it and I am only conveying my impressions of the day, he was not getting the ball from Smith when he was open (short routes). He was open maybe once or twice on the deep routes, but Holmes and Gonzo were getting much more seperation going deep. They got the ball. Now, these passes to the sidelines are long and many times dangerous passes despite the shortness of the route. Throwing to the sidelines requires timing and confidence. I wonder if maybe Smith has lost a little confidence throwing these passes to the sidelines after the close call against Texas and other games he's come close to throwing the pick six.


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Ginn is rarely even considered in the passing game, even when Smith had time, and it wasn't just a lack of recognition, it was b/c his route was useless.

I have no problem with Ginn running these routes. They are perfect for him in my opinion. Make one guy miss and goodbye...(IMO, the two games I've been to, the opponents are not letting him get any space to the inside.) I would pose the argument that a short pass with a long run is a better way, percentage wise, of "hitting the home run" than throwing a sixty yard bomb. And to add more, I don't remember Ginn having much separation on any of the other routes he ran, be it slants, streaks, posts etc. They were not letting him get behind the defense. Holmes was however, and there were quite a few times when Smith tucked it and ran, never seeing Holmes deep. There is a recognition problem and I would disagree with you here. I am not so concerned with Ginn's receiving production. I am concerned with his return game and his dancing around instead of getting up field. I think we saw what starting up field immediately will do in the Iowa game. I just don't think he is consistantly doing this.

As far as the Herbie stuff goes, my first post wasn't very clear. I assumed that Herbie meant sitting him down for a series or two, not benching him for a whole game or whatever. I think that's what he meant and I do agree with that. Nothing wrong with letting someone watch from the sideline for a few plays. This also gets someone else on the field for a play or two. JMO. And let me say right now, I am not throwing Ginn under the bus...He is an amazing talent and I know that. He is slumping though. That happens sometimes and it might be as simple as one big play to get him sparked again. To open the floodgates if you will...:)
 
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I'm not sure how much of it is Ginn on offense, last time I checked football is a team sport and one player doesn't win a game. I'm not sure what his role is in the offense right now, but he is a big play away from getting his mojo back.

The problem for Ted so far this year is that he broke on the scene last season based solely on pure athletism. This season he is learning how to play receiver, and has been a focal point for opposing defenses. He's learning right now, but when it all slows down for him he's going to be one hell of a receiver......as long as the play goes to him. He's thinking too much right now, he just needs to go out and let his ability carry him like he did last season. He's not doing that right now.
 
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Ginn suffering 'growing pains'

Father says Heisman expectations weren't realistic; son is making progress with every play

By Doug Harris
Dayton Daily News
COLUMBUS | By any measure, the sophomore season of Ohio State's Ted Ginn Jr. is turning into the biggest bust since Eddie Murphy's box-office disaster, The Adventures of Pluto Nash.
<!--endtext-->Ginn has gone from being known as Teddy the Touchdown Maker to Teddy the Touch-Deprived.
He's made 16 uneventful catches through five games and has been bottled up on special teams.
But his father and former coach at Cleveland Glenville High School hasn't found the lack of production all that surprising.
To Ted Ginn Sr., the expectations for his son had become impossibly high.
"It all started with that Heisman hype," he said. "I didn't buy into that — no way. He didn't buy into it, and I didn't buy into it. That was just people's opinions.
"He's going through growing pains. The more he plays, the more he develops on the field."
But Ginn Jr., who created a stir nationally with a Big Ten-record four punt-return touchdowns last year, appears to be regressing.
He scored eight TDs in 2004, all in the final eight games, but he's reached the end zone only once this year — a 42-yard reception at mop-up time in the opener against Miami.
A Sports Illustrated cover boy after the first week of the season, Ginn led the nation with a 25.6-yard punt-return average a year ago, but he's picking up just 7.6 yards per try this season. And his confidence seems to be eroding.
He appeared tentative against Penn State last week, looking for the sideline instead of barrelling forward and tapping into his wondrous speed.
"Teams are doing a great job of staying in their lanes," Ginn Sr. said. "I watch the tape of every game. And basically, he needs to keep hitting it up in there and getting what you can get. Nobody is letting him turn the corner. He's going laterally and looking for something, but it's not there."
Ginn Jr. has fared no better in his first year as a kick returner, averaging just 18.8 yards on a team-high 11 attempts. In other words, the Buckeyes would be better off settling for touchbacks.
But OSU coach Jim Tressel, who wouldn't let Ginn Jr. speak to the media this week, doesn't see evidence that the player is slipping into a shell.
While he may look hesitant to outsiders, Tressel thinks Ginn is simply being choosey while looking for an opening to pop one.
"I think Ted is a guy who believes he can find a way to hit the home run, and he did hit the home run many times (last year)," Tressel said. "He didn't Saturday, but I think sometimes that's the risk you take to hit a home run — to cut back and that type of thing.
"I don't know if I call that hesitancy. ... To me, hesitancy is you go up and you stop. He doesn't stop. He tries to sidestep and all that, and I think we've all seen that work."
But Ginn Sr. believes the Buckeyes probably should abandon their experiment at turning his son into a kick returner.
"I would leave him on punts, but I might take him off kickoffs," Ginn Sr. said. "It's something that's new to him. He's never had to do that before."
Ginn Jr. has turned to his father often for reassurance this season. And the coach has preached the same message: Don't lose sight of the big picture.
"I tell Ted, when you can't score, work on cheering your teammates, work on blocking. Motivate the players, motivate the team," Ginn Sr. said. "He's doing other things. People are saying, 'Ted threw another good block and Santonio Holmes was open. Ted is contributing to the cause.' That's what I want out of him.
"Of course, I'm selfish. But I want to see Ted grow as a team player and become a humble young man. As a coach and a dad, I want (Tressel) to help me raise my child. I'm not as interested in what he does at 20 years old as I am in what he's going to be like at 28, 29 or 40."
 
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"Teams are doing a great job of staying in their lanes," Ginn Sr. said. "I watch the tape of every game. And basically, he needs to keep hitting it up in there and getting what you can get. Nobody is letting him turn the corner. He's going laterally and looking for something, but it's not there."

I think this is what alot of us have been saying, I know he still has moves he showed them against Iowa when the lanes where there. I think it is still the same as last year, if he gets a crease he is gone. He just hasnt got it yet.
 
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Ummm Ummm... in the words of Lil' John .......WHAT?!?!

I know -- its the NFL Scout conspiracy theorist - back-door attempt at rearing its head.

Ginn will play at Ohio State till he gets his degree or his eligibility is used up - always has been my thought it'll go that way. Why? Because TG Sr believes in the benefits of education.

As for the real subject of this thread -- Teddy could do much worse than take his Dad's advice on getting what the loays allow. The opportunities for big gainers may open up once they realize he cannot always be coralled behind the line looking for an inviting gap.
 
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I know -- its the NFL Scout conspiracy theorist - back-door attempt at rearing its head.

Ginn will play at Ohio State till he gets his degree or his eligibility is used up - always has been my thought it'll go that way. Why? Because TG Sr believes in the benefits of education.

Actually, I meant to suggest no such conspiracy. I read those posts before and don't agree with them. While my question was admittedly a little off-topic, I was just interested in what others on this site thought.
 
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I didn't think he was going pro early before his sophomore slump. So far he has played 1.5 seasons, and had 1/2 a season of success, against porous defenses. He will hit his groove, but there is no way he's a top NFL prospect right now. Now if he goes to corner...:tongue2:
 
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