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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (All B1G, All-American)

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If you bench him, what is being accomplished?

Get the kid the ball in space...even if you have to miss, just get him involved. He was frustrated by the end of the first quarter after running open routes and never seeing the ball.

Get him involved...run the Shot Ginn, spark the fire.

Hell, I see this all the time...kids who are talented but not involved tend to slip between the cracks.

No need to cut your nose off to spite your face IMHO
 
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Herbstreit said:
"I would be real close to benching Ted Ginn. I don't know who got to him, whether it was an agent, or a friend who said "It's all about the NFL, baby!" but Ted Ginn is scared. He's timid. He's afraid to bust a seam on kick returns. He just heads for the side line. They should take him off kick returns because it's obvious that he doesn't want to do it. He's a non factor. I was standing on the side line for the game and the coaches have to scream at him from the sideline to get lined up correctly. I'm not sure where his head is."
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Why can't we convert him to cornerback?

Remember Chris Gamble? Gamble was possibly the best wideout we had at the time - though most would say Jenkins was better - yet he converted into a pretty decent shutdown corner. Again he may not have been the best, but he was better than most in college at that time.

Wouldn't it make sense to free up the three "true" wideouts - the highly touted guys we recruited as receivers - to run great routes?
Maybe have Ginn come in five or eight times a game as a burner? As a corner though, his speed would make up some for falling behind occasionally in coverage until he learned the schemes. If - I should say when - he gets an interception, unless he falls catching it, he would take it to the house every time. He wouldn't have the coaches yelling from the sidelines about lining up incorrectly. Mainly it would take a lot of pressure off him.

If this doesn't seem remotely logical, then why did it happen with Gamble?
 
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MightbeaBuck said:
If this doesn't seem remotely logical, then why did it happen with Gamble?
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b/c with gamble, we had no one better at CB. We had to ask a WR (did Gamble even play CB in HS? I don't think he did, can't remember) to play corner we were so thin at CB. This year, we not only have two solid corners (one being a star), but we have a third corner frosh that is doing outstanding.
 
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cincibuck said:
And last year his father was healthy. He's only 19 and his dad has been a big part of his life. Maybe he's got more important things on his mind than football, but watching him on Saturday, especially when he lost that ball in the light, you had to hink he was not "in the game."
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i dont really see what everybody is seeing here. the guy cant do it all. sure he has his faults such as not getting vertical up the field but other than that i really have not seen the problem with him.
 
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Didn't Herbie and JT bristle a bit last year over Herbie discussing coaching strategies for tOSU? Benching Ginn seems to be a little reactionary to me. The more prudent thing seems to be trying to pin down what exactly is wrong.

If it is concer over his Dad, then counselling (sp?) seems like a better route. Benching him would only pile on to his concerns.

If it isn't his Dad, then it seems like something that should be worked out. Hard to imagine TGII is taking anything for granted or being a BMOC. That is the kind of stuff that a good benching cures.

What good is benching going to do for the East/West stuff? The benches face East/West, not North/South.

The agent theory sounds kinda bogus to me. His NFL draft position isn't set after half a season, especially if he plays like this for two years.
 
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methomps said:
Didn't Herbie and JT bristle a bit last year over Herbie discussing coaching strategies for tOSU? Benching Ginn seems to be a little reactionary to me. The more prudent thing seems to be trying to pin down what exactly is wrong.

If it is concer over his Dad, then counselling (sp?) seems like a better route. Benching him would only pile on to his concerns.

If it isn't his Dad, then it seems like something that should be worked out. Hard to imagine TGII is taking anything for granted or being a BMOC. That is the kind of stuff that a good benching cures.

What good is benching going to do for the East/West stuff? The benches face East/West, not North/South.

The agent theory sounds kinda bogus to me. His NFL draft position isn't set after half a season, especially if he plays like this for two years.
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Agreed about the agent theory...the last thing people in the NFL want is someone with a reputation that they are afraid to get hit, deserved or not. Of course, if he's getting advice from any of the same people who advised MoC so well, I guess anything is possible...
 
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I love Herbies insight and never bashed him last year when he was criticizing what was going on. I was behind him b/c I know he does it for the same reason we all do it, b/c we love the buckeyes.

I think this one was just a little over the top tho. I havent seen him go at any single individual like he did with that comment. To say he isnt trying and trying not to get hurt. Well at this rate Ted Ginn would be lucky to go out in the draft his junior year and not be picked until the third round(not a knock on Teddy he just needs to improve some parts of his game, which I am sure he works very hard at, just like in the offseason when he didnt run track to get bigger for the season.)

He could be easily making the same remarks at Steve Breaston who also had a ton of hype surrounding him and he is not delivering, what about Reggie Mcneal who he was all over b4 the season even picked them to win the b12 I believe and he isnt just completely bashing them.

Keep in mind I still love Herbie and he is a great ananlyst, but I think this is alittle over the top.
 
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osugrad21 said:
If you bench him, what is being accomplished?

Get the kid the ball in space...even if you have to miss, just get him involved. He was frustrated by the end of the first quarter after running open routes and never seeing the ball.

Get him involved...run the Shot Ginn, spark the fire.
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I agree. Herbie's flat out wrong on this one. Like I said before, quit running the plays to Ginn that everyone's expecting (the WR screens and end-arounds). Instead, exploit Ginn's speed by running post patterns and other passes vertically down the field. PSU's veteran DBs couldn't keep up with Ginn, and I doubt few other DBs can either.
 
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Did TG put in the off season work physically and mentally to be what we think he can be..does he understand defenses and what teams are doing to stop him? Or is trying to rely on his physical abilities. As you climb the ladder in sports preperation becomes more important because the talent differences become smaller
 
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osugrad21 said:
If you bench him, what is being accomplished?

Get the kid the ball in space...even if you have to miss, just get him involved. He was frustrated by the end of the first quarter after running open routes and never seeing the ball.

Get him involved...run the Shot Ginn, spark the fire.

Hell, I see this all the time...kids who are talented but not involved tend to slip between the cracks.

No need to cut your nose off to spite your face IMHO
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In fairness to Herbie, he clarified his position to one of sitting him for a series or two to get his hunger to play going. (That is he backed of from benching pure and simple, not getting to play, which I absolutely agree would be nose cut off face spited).
Playing Herbie's advocate -
Conversely, how does keeping him on the field for each snap of the ball on offense IF he hasn't got his head in the game and nothing has been done to fix that issue?
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Somehow, Ginn has to be brought back to the instinctive player that flourished last year.

Sitting him for a series or two is a stick approach.

Getting him the ball in a situation where he has the best opportunity to show his speed and skills is a carrot.
 
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TGII has been on the every teams radar since the MSU game last year...so what is different this year? I wish I had the answer....

Did anyone else hear his post game comments about how they need to be going full speed in practice. He seemed to be rather critical of how the coaches are running everything slow speed during the week. Then when (whoever was interviewing him) said, "isn't that to avoid injury?" TGII said," Yea, I guess" while rolling his eyes.

He seems to be getting very frustrated for whatever reason.
 
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