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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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An NFL talent evaluator explains why the slow start by Ohio State star receiver Ted Ginn Jr. hasn't hurt his standing with pro evaulators: "He's just a victim of how long it's taken Ohio State to find an offensive identity. What's important is how he looks during the second half [of the season]."
-- Cleveland Plain Dealer
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/09/30/truth.rumors.college/index.html
 
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Maybe someone said it but if they did I apologize for missing it. I think we are all forgetting one pivotal piece of information. Ginn did virtually nothing until the MSU game last year. For all we know it takes him a few games to get the juices flowing. His God-given talent alone will allow him to explode one of these days. It's just a matter of time. I totally agree with the other posts suggesting that Ginn's presence alone makes the offense open up for Gonzo and Holmes. I think that's the name of the game. Ginn himself responded to questions in an interview about his lack of production by saying the win is more important than how many touchdowns he scores. If we can win without him...imagine what we'll do when he opens up. Perhaps we'll find out next Saturday...
 
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ohiostate=life said:
Maybe someone said it but if they did I apologize for missing it. I think we are all forgetting one pivotal piece of information. Ginn did virtually nothing until the MSU game last year. For all we know it takes him a few games to get the juices flowing. His God-given talent alone will allow him to explode one of these days. It's just a matter of time. I totally agree with the other posts suggesting that Ginn's presence alone makes the offense open up for Gonzo and Holmes. I think that's the name of the game. Ginn himself responded to questions in an interview about his lack of production by saying the win is more important than how many touchdowns he scores. If we can win without him...imagine what we'll do when he opens up. Perhaps we'll find out next Saturday...
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OK - you are right MSU was a coming out party for Teddy last year. Scoring 3 ways, reportedly told JT he would do so before the game started - and lived up to his goals. Its the type of performance and story that legends grow around.

However, Teddy didn't get to play pretty much until the 2nd half of the season at all. So your premise is well, flawed.

This season the issue isn't one of when he started to play - he's on the squad, and suited up for each game. It is more about whether he has gone absent, underperformed, simply been the primary focus of too much defensive attention, been trying too hard to do too much, or was bearing completely unrealistic expectations of a fervent fan-base -- or, all of the above at different times, in different games.

Frankly, his numbers are OK for any other player, not super-great, but OK. And, if he were any other player he would not have shot himself in the foot by trying too hard to do too much, to live up to those expectations - which would then have helped his already OK numbers get into the great category. Lastly, but for another untimely hold in the Iowa game we would already be talking about how Teddy has finally turned the corner and got it all going forward.

Which, being an undying optimist about these things, I firmly believe to be just about true.

Now I just want to see proof. And don't we all.

:osu:
 
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sandgk said:
OK - you are right MSU was a coming out party for Teddy last year. Scoring 3 ways, reportedly told JT he would do so before the game started - and lived up to his goals. Its the type of performance and story that legends grow around.

However, Teddy didn't get to play pretty much until the 2nd half of the season at all. So your premise is well, flawed.
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That would be incorrect. TG2 was playing WR and having balls thrown his way in the opener last year.

The converted DB theory is also pretty thin, he was a WR in HS, and has played WR here for 1 1/2 now.

I think his relative lack of success, and I stress the word relative, is due to him pressing and TS's glacial pace of knocking the rust off.
 
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Well -I did say pretty much :wink2: - though you are correct, as Ginn is a listed participant in every game from last year.
Certainly though with a total of 5 plays in the first 4 games of 2004, it amounts to very low early utilization.
More extensive use thereafter.

But I absolutely agree -- a root cause of his problems is down to pressing.

That alone makes it difficult to knock the rust off. And, that pressing is made most evident in his rushing statistics to date. His receiving and return game statistics are far from shabby.
 
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Ted Ginn needs to be used a lot more, period. If he drops his first 2-3 passes or fumbles a punt, you still need to get him the ball 10-15 times a game. Because at least one of those times he will do something that will make your jaw drop...something no one is ever going to be able to coach, and put 6 points on the board. That is his special talent, and we need to take advantage of it for the remaining 1.5 - 2 years that we have him at OSU. Using a player of his caliber as a decoy is utterly ridiculous because as good as the other players in the country are, only a handful of them can do what he does. There are ways of getting him the ball even if he's double/triple teamed. Good offensive play designs can solve that. Let's ride this horse as long as we've got him! :pimp:
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
well... there's been over 3450 views... and 110 posts... but still, no one has been able to answer the original question:(
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Because its so unfucking believible.

How do you go from being an unstoppable force one year and a completely invisible empty jersy the next?

I've never seen anything like it but I do know that right now he's not doing anything to help us win so get him out of there and put in someone who will.

A man who won't is no better than a man who can't.
 
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When was ginn amazing? IU, MSU, Michigan, OkState, Miami.
What good defenses faced ginn as a starter/major backup? Iowa, PSU, Purdue, Texas, Penn State.

The only game where my theory doesn't hold up is SDSU.

I think we can get the ball to Ginn, or our other WRs, a lot better than we have done in some games. But you guys need to realize how bad the defenses were that we faced. That's a big reason why Ginn looked so good.
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Because its so unfucking believible.

How do you go from being an unstoppable force one year and a completely invisible empty jersy the next?

I've never seen anything like it but I do know that right now he's not doing anything to help us win so get him out of there and put in someone who will.

A man who won't is no better than a man who can't.
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I get so sick of hearing this. Is Ginn underperforming as a pass catching WR? sure. but have you seen his helmet? Is that b/c of tons of plays as a returner or wideout? Have you listened to the announcers who constnatly talk about huge downfield blocks by Ginn?

Unless you've strapped on the scarlet and gray and gotten it done in Happy Valley, you have no right to bash him and say he won't do it. Poor form.
 
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jwinslow said:
I think we can get the ball to Ginn, or our other WRs, a lot better than we have done in some games. But you guys need to realize how bad the defenses were that we faced. That's a big reason why Ginn looked so good.I get so sick of hearing this. Is Ginn underperforming as a pass catching WR? sure. but have you seen his helmet? Is that b/c of tons of plays as a returner or wideout? Have you listened to the announcers who constnatly talk about huge downfield blocks by Ginn?

Unless you've strapped on the scarlet and gray and gotten it done in Happy Valley, you have no right to bash him and say he won't do it. Poor form.
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When TG has the ball in his hands so far this year he looks tenative, skiddish and flat out confused. He has dropped more passes than I care to remember and looks like he spent the off season learning how to river dance from lydell ross.

He has the demonstrated athletic ability to do better than he has for 5 games in a row now so yeah, I still put it on him. Not every team we played this year is good enough to shut him down the way he has been. He's talented enough to have a breakout and he's just not doing it so therefore I us the won't vs can't analogy. Sorry if you don't like the form but the message is true.

As far as having to been a former player to criticize anyone then that pretty much eliminates everyone on this site does it not?
 
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Ginn is a great athlete...is he a great football player? I have no idea. Mili makes a great point of running backwards and sideways too much, but other than special teams, he doesn't get the ball much in situations to do much else. I don't blame him for anything, but I don't know if he's half as good as some seemed to think he was, either. I just don't know. Bashing the guy is wrong, because he's certainly trying, and that's all anyone can ask. Is it him, the QB, the coaches, all of the above...?
 
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