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Will Joe Torre make it through the season as the MFY's manager?

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Will Joe Torre make it through the season as the MFY's manager?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 90.0%

  • No

    Votes: 2 10.0%
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OSUsushichic;826238; said:
I voted yes. He's like their Llllloyd Carr. :p
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He brought them 4 World Series titles and a 60.4% win percentage

Terry Francona has brought the BoSox 1 World Series title and a 57.8% win percentage.

If Joe Torre = Llllloyd Carr, Terry Francona = Charlie Weis...

:wink:


Oh and btw...George would be an idiot if he fired Joe.
 
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In 15 years of managing before arriving in NY, Torre led his teams to one playoff appearence.

Even Dusty Baker could have stumbled upon a few world series rings if he had the same rosters Torre had in New York.
 
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sears3820;826362; said:
In 15 years of managing before arriving in NY, Torre led his teams to one playoff appearence.

Even Dusty Baker could have stumbled upon a few world series rings if he had the same rosters Torre had in New York.
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What does past performance pre-NYY have to do with his tenure in New York? I don't see what your point is. You can win 10 rings and go to a new team; if you lose then you're out. Likewise the vice-versa is true.

Statistically speaking, Torre has been just as successful if not more successful in New York than Francona has been in Boston.

FWIW, I think both are excellent managers and both deserve the world of respect.
 
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Golferdow01;826425; said:
What does past performance pre-NYY have to do with his tenure in New York? I don't see what your point is. You can win 10 rings and go to a new team; if you lose then you're out. Likewise the vice-versa is true.

Statistically speaking, Torre has been just as successful if not more successful in New York than Francona has been in Boston.

FWIW, I think both are excellent managers and both deserve the world of respect.
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Point is a that most competent managers could have led the Yankees to AL pennants and a few World Series rings. They don't win because of Joe Torre, they win because of the players.

Torre stumbled into a situation where it was damn near impossible not to win. He was a sub .500 manager before he came to NY and had the dubious distinction of being referred to as "Clueless Joe." All of a sudden he comes to NY and manages a roster chock full of well-paid all-stars and he's a managerial virtuoso. Right.

I'm not sure what Terry Francona has to do with anything. No one is arguing that Francona has had more success in Boston than Torre has had in NY.

Managers in baseball are overrated, Bill Simmons said it best:

Managing a baseball team? That's like serving as the captain of a luxury yacht. You rely on your equipment, manage your crew, defer to their abilities, stroke egos and search for icebergs. That's it. That's your job. Basically, you're Captain Stubing. As long as Doc takes care of the sick passengers, Julie handles the social events, Isaac mixes martinis, Gopher stays out of trouble and the "Love Boat" isn't ramming into anything, you're golden.
 
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sears3820 said:
Point is a that most competent managers could have led the Yankees to AL pennants and a few World Series rings. They don't win because of Joe Torre, they win because of the players.
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If you stand by that comment, then they don't lose because of Joe Torre, and there's no reason to let him go; unless he is labeled as the scapegoat. Frankly, if the personnel are the problem, I would think the blame would lay on Cashman's hands, not Torre's.

sears3820 said:
Torre stumbled into a situation where it was damn near impossible not to win. He was a sub .500 manager before he came to NY and had the dubious distinction of being referred to as "Clueless Joe." All of a sudden he comes to NY and manages a roster chock full of well-paid all-stars and he's a managerial virtuoso. Right.
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I never called him a virtuoso; who did? I'm just defending him in this scenario where I feel there is misplaced blame.

sears3820 said:
I'm not sure what Terry Francona has to do with anything. No one is arguing that Francona has had more success in Boston than Torre has had in NY.
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Merely a comparison brought upon because the ones who began the discussion and continue the discussion are BP's biggest BoSox fans. I'm not sure what their stake in Torre's future are (unless they feel dumping Torre for another manager would be devastating to the Yankee's year, thus paving the way to a BoSox AL East pennant).


Basically, if your arguement is that the head coach of a baseball team has little to no impact on the team's performance, why would Torre be to blame? :lol:
 
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Cashman has been kneecapping Torre with his pitching moves. I can't understand how other teams can make smart pitching moves, but the Yanks can't - not even with endless cash. Torre is a sound manager, and brought rings to teams with far less superstar power than they have now - remember, the recent Yankee 'legends' (Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, Jorge) are legends because they won all those rings - not because they were hired guns (Giambi, A-Rod, Sheff, Abreu). Torre managed those teams with arguably one big time offensive free agent signee (O'Neill) and some guys who spent at least a little time in Columbus (O'Neill spent time in Columbus - but with the Bearcats, not the Clips).

I liked the young pitchers they signed this off-season (esp. Princeton's Ross Ohlendorf), but they needed more time before getting thrown into the fire.

Breaking ties with Columbus produced some bad karma, IMO.
 
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Golferdow01 said:
If you stand by that comment, then they don't lose because of Joe Torre, and there's no reason to let him go; unless he is labeled as the scapegoat. Frankly, if the personnel are the problem, I would think the blame would lay on Cashman's hands, not Torre's.



I never called him a virtuoso; who did? I'm just defending him in this scenario where I feel there is misplaced blame.



Merely a comparison brought upon because the ones who began the discussion and continue the discussion are BP's biggest BoSox fans. I'm not sure what their stake in Torre's future are (unless they feel dumping Torre for another manager would be devastating to the Yankee's year, thus paving the way to a BoSox AL East pennant).


Basically, if your arguement is that the head coach of a baseball team has little to no impact on the team's performance, why would Torre be to blame? :lol:
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I don't think sears ever said he was to blame.
 
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Hence why I brought Francona into the discussion to prove statistically his worth is equal to or less than Torre's. So Francona sucks too right?

Frankly, with the $$$ Boston is willing to throw into their payroll, they should be winning the World Series every year too right? 50 mil less than the Yankees yet 25 mil more than the next team. Definitely no free pass out of the "spendaholics" club...
 
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