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Who's the real national Champion LSU or USC

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A colleague of mine in another town has a vote in the AP poll and he said all the other voters he's acquainted with were all getting together and telling one another to make sure to vote USC #1. He said they didn't come out and say it in as many words, but it was definitely as if they were doing it more for the sake of controversy than for the fact that they truly believed USC deserved a share of the title. That's a load. USC doesn't deserve anything they didn't earn. All three teams had one loss and Oklahoma's and LSU's came to tougher opponents, so if you got the short end of the stick this season, don't lose to Cal next year.
 
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ArtesiaBuckDog said:
A colleague of mine in another town has a vote in the AP poll and he said all the other voters he's acquainted with were all getting together and telling one another to make sure to vote USC #1. He said they didn't come out and say it in as many words, but it was definitely as if they were doing it more for the sake of controversy than for the fact that they truly believed USC deserved a share of the title. That's a load. USC doesn't deserve anything they didn't earn. All three teams had one loss and Oklahoma's and LSU's came to tougher opponents, so if you got the short end of the stick this season, don't lose to Cal next year.
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That's almost as good as the writer (I forget what his name was or what paper he wrote for), who came out during the season and stated that he would not vote OSU into the top 25 no matter what they did, because of the way they (OSU) handled the Clarett ordeal.

Oh yeah, that AP poll is credible. :wink: Which isn't to say that USC may not be the best team, may not be deserving, etc. I thought we were pretty good, Michigan thumped us, they thumped Michigan. But still, if I feel for anyone this past season, it's LSU.

Welcome to the board Artesia.
 
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Clarity said:
Welcome to the board Artesia.
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Gracias para la bienvenida, refrescan el sitio. Homes. :lol:

LSU definitely didn't get enough respect. It pissed me off how many voters came out after the USC game and said they wouldn't vote LSU #1 no matter what they did in the Sugar Bowl. That's basically cheating, if you want to get technical. I wish LSU hadn't slowed down after the first half and had run up the score on Oklahoma the way the Laters did on everybody else all year. Stoops is a jerk.
 
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Clarity, The Trojans may be a media darling and you can dislike them for that but we are not talking about a popularity contest. I could care less that the media is talking them up as "co- champions" The Yankees are media darlings too but I don't hate the Yankees or disregard their championships on that basis.
We are talking about an opinion that I have. I never stated that it was a simple fact. I merely stated that I believe they may have been the better team. LSU has an outstanding defense. But they never faced an offense like USC's that averaged 44 points a game. We never know what could've happened.
USC did have a easy schedule. But are you forgetting about LSU playing those perennial powers LA Tech, LA Monroe and Arizona as their non conference oppenents? That is Shameful. At least USC schedules Notre Dame, BYU, Auburn and Hawaii. Those teams did not have their best years but Normally all those programs are solid football programs. When the schedule was made out some time ago they knew at least they would be given some competition Especially against the likes of ND and Auburn. LSU scheduled non conference patsies that they Knew they'd run over. For that reason alone I will hesitate in giving them the kudos that you want to give them. When they start scheduling teams like Texas as we have then I will begin to respect them more. If we start rewarding teams for playing patsies before the conference schedule starts then all teams will be doing it and college football will be boring for the first 3 or 4 weeks.
The Tigers did have the tougher conference schedule but then again they beat Georgia for their conference title. Georgia almost fell to Purdue before pulling out an overtime win.
I'm just not convinced that LSU is the better team. USC looked so dominating in their win over a very tough Michigan team. I simply do not believe that the Sooner were that Good.
 
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I just can't give USC credit for scheduling teams that 'could have' or 'should have' been good.

Anyway, I wasn't ragging on you for your opinion. I've got no problem with your perspective, I just don't agree with it. No issue there. I was simply asking if you meant to state it so matter of factly.

It's all a moot point now anyway. ESPN commissioned someone to simulate a series of meetings between LSU and USC, and LSU came out on top. :roll1:

For me it's not about giving LSU kudos, it's about not buying into the slop the media is tossing out to the herds. Not suggesting you have.
 
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ashland: "LSU has an outstanding defense. But they never faced an offense like USC's that averaged 44 points a game."

Say what?! Uh, news flash, Oklahoma averaged 48.3 points a game in the regular season. Even after being held to 7 points by KSU in their conference championship, they still entered the Sugar Bowl averaging 45.2 points a game.
 
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But are you forgetting about LSU playing those perennial powers LA Tech, LA Monroe and Arizona as their non conference oppenents? That is Shameful.
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I don't really root for either USC or LSU, but I don't see much difference in their schedules. Arizona has had some decent teams in the past and USC plays them as well ... that's a wash. La Tech has also had a couple "decent" teams as well lately, again La Tech was 78 in the BCS and BYU was 76 in the BCS ... another wash. La Monroe is the stinker at 115 in the BCS, while Hawaii is 50. I guess this is offset by the USC loss to Cal which ended 35 in the BCS, while LSU's lost to Florida at 23 in the BCS.
 
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KSB: "I'm not one to defend the Toejams, but they did schedule Auburn."

That game was the second game of a home-away series with them (played them at USC in 2002), which was scheduled quite aways back. So it's not like they just happened to have an open date near the beginning of the season and said, "Hey, Auburn is a pre-season #1 pick by some, so let's play them to show the world that we schedule tough OOC opponents". Most OOC games are scheduled 3-4 years out--especially with home/away series--and Auburn was 3-8 in 1998 and 5-6 in 1999, which was the timeframe 3-4 years before the first game of that series.

No offense, but I don't give any props at all to them for scheduling Auburn.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
ashland: "LSU has an outstanding defense. But they never faced an offense like USC's that averaged 44 points a game."

Say what?! Uh, news flash, Oklahoma averaged 48.3 points a game in the regular season. Even after being held to 7 points by KSU in their conference championship, they still entered the Sugar Bowl averaging 45.2 points a game.
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USC's offense is so much better than Oklahoma's. As I said, We found out just how weak the big 12 was. Washington State(Pac 10) completely dominated Texas and the Buckeyes handled Kansa state more easily than the score indicated. Norm Chow is part of the reason the Trojans have turned things around. His Talent as well as his scheme leaves anything Bob Stoops will put on the field well behind. Yes there's no doubt about it, LSU NEVER faced an offense the likes of USC'S. Take away the game that Stoops ran up the score with 70 points then they averaged around 39 points a game. The same as their conference foe Kansas St. did in their last eight games. Their numbers do not impress me. In the end they ended up with 2 loses as many other teams did. USC ended up with one. If you think that the LSU defense faced just as good as offense in the Sugar bowl then you didn't watch enough college football.
 
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KSB: "I'm not one to defend the Toejams, but they did schedule Auburn."

That game was the second game of a home-away series with them (played them at USC in 2002), which was scheduled quite aways back. So it's not like they just happened to have an open date near the beginning of the season and said, "Hey, Auburn is a pre-season #1 pick by some, so let's play them to show the world that we schedule tough OOC opponents". Most OOC games are scheduled 3-4 years out--especially with home/away series--and Auburn was 3-8 in 1998 and 5-6 in 1999, which was the timeframe 3-4 years before the first game of that series.

No offense, but I don't give any props at all to them for scheduling Auburn.
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I'd say scheduling Auburn is still a lot different than scheduling LA tech and LA Monroe. Are you kidding me? Are you actually saying that scheduling Auburn because they had a couple bad seasons is really no different than scheduling LA Tech or LA monroe? So what, they had a copule bad seasons, When you schedule Auburn you know you are in for a darn good football game. When you schedule LA Monroe you are doing it for a easy win.
 
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ashlandbuck said:
I'd say scheduling Auburn is still a lot different than scheduling LA tech and LA Monroe. Are you kidding me? Are you actually saying that scheduling Auburn because they had a couple bad seasons is really no different than scheduling LA Tech or LA monroe? So what, they had a copule bad seasons, When you schedule Auburn you know you are in for a darn good football game. When you schedule LA Monroe you are doing it for a easy win.
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Certainly your expectations and intentions when scheduling Auburn are far different than when you schedule UL Monroe and LA Tech. But that's an intangible what-if thing that doesn't apply to the real world this past season, which is why I have a hard time giving people credit for it. As it turned out, unfortunately for USC, despite their intentions when scheduling Notre Dame and Auburn, both those teams turned out to be total fluff.

So yes, USC tried to schedule tougher teams, but as it turned out, they didn't. I don't see them getting credit for the attempt when you're talking about what their SOS actually was.

As far as LSU, I wonder if they're relegated to play at least one in-state team a season like we are. We take a lot of crap for playing Kent State, Cinci, Ohio U, Akron, etc. etc.
 
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I though I heard the LSU had to replace 2 games on this year's schedule because 2 of their opponents cancelled games. I think one of the teams was La Tech or La Monroe and the other was Western Illinois (a division 1aa opponent). IIRC.
 
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Clarity said:
Certainly your expectations and intentions when scheduling Auburn are far different than when you schedule UL Monroe and LA Tech. But that's an intangible what-if thing that doesn't apply to the real world this past season, which is why I have a hard time giving people credit for it. As it turned out, unfortunately for USC, despite their intentions when scheduling Notre Dame and Auburn, both those teams turned out to be total fluff.

So yes, USC tried to schedule tougher teams, but as it turned out, they didn't. I don't see them getting credit for the attempt when you're talking about what their SOS actually was.

As far as LSU, I wonder if they're relegated to play at least one in-state team a season like we are. We take a lot of crap for playing Kent State, Cinci, Ohio U, Akron, etc. etc.
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As far as OSU scheduling MAC teams, I've no idea why we'd get any grief for it. The MAC has prooven it'self as a legitimate Division 1 Football conference.
One other thing I failed to mention in my previous post concerning USC's rightful place as #1. They lost in three overtimes to an improving Cal team that manhandled Virginia Tech in their bowl game. A lot different than Oklahoma getting throttled by Kansas State. USC beat an outstanding Micigan team. LSU beat an Oklahoma team that just didn't proove enough to me.
 
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