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Who was more important to society and why?

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Who was more important to society and why?

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When I measure "impact", I think about people changing their lives because of them. Therefore, I don't think either of them had very much impact. They entertained a lot of people but I don't think very many people took them seriously when they talked about politics and the like.

Full disclosure:
1. I was a Joe Frazier fan, and so I always hated Ali. Still, I acknowledge that he was "the greatest".
2. The Beatles were before my time (barely) and I didn't care much for Lennon's solo stuff. But I'm not denying his talent. I consider Abbey Road one of the greatest albums of all time.
 
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They both impacted and helped the world in many ways...

Lennon well was very open in promoting the peace movement. You could tell he was just by looking at him and the way he acted. Ali was against the war and refused to go. He did not believe in killing...but heres why I'm taking Lennon. Although Ali refused to go to war, was against fighting and killing...he didn't mind beating the shit out of someone in the ring.

I take Lennon.
 
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tedginn05 said:
Although Ali refused to go to war, was against fighting and killing...he didn't mind beating the shit out of someone in the ring.
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you're comparing apples to oranges. you might not like boxing (I'm not a big fan either), but both parties fight for money and entertainment where neither is supposed to die. Boxing is remarkably different than fighting in a war that will claim millions from both sides.
 
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tedginn05 said:
They both impacted and helped the world in many ways...

Lennon well was very open in promoting the peace movement. You could tell he was just by looking at him and the way he acted. Ali was against the war and refused to go. He did not believe in killing...but heres why I'm taking Lennon. Although Ali refused to go to war, was against fighting and killing...he didn't mind beating the shit out of someone in the ring.

I take Lennon.
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So how did being against war help the world? How did promoting the peace movement help the world? I maintain that neither of them had much impact, although both were very entertaining.
 
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GoBucks89 said:
So how did being against war help the world? How did promoting the peace movement help the world? I maintain that neither of them had much impact, although both were very entertaining.
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ali had no impact on prejudiced white folk being forced to respect the dominance of a black athlete?

he may get more credit than he deserves, but he definitely had some impact.
 
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What I'm saying is that I think its comical that Ali stated he would not go to war because of his religion and he was against violence. Yet he was a professional boxer in a sport that promotes violence and inflicting damage to your opponet.

As for Ali and Lennon not having an impact.

Lennon promoted and was deeply invovled in the peace movement and was against the war. If promoting peace to stop a war that killed thousands isn't an impact, then I don't know what is.

Ali impacted by not going to the war and actually furthering that after he was threaten to be stripped of his title(and adventualy was). He did not crack under the pressure of lossing his title if he didn't go to the war. Ali def gets more credit than he should, but come on, he still had a huge impact.
 
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tedginn05 said:
What I'm saying is that I think its comical that Ali stated he would not go to war because of his religion and he was against violence. Yet he was a professional boxer in a sport that promotes violence and inflicting damage to your opponet.
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I understood your point. I'm asking how two willing individuals in a non-life-ending fight compares to a war. In war, one country often forces the other into the fight (ie USA did not want to enter the war vs Germany)... thereby forcing them to surrender tens of thousands (if not more) of lives in order to end the war.
 
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I can actually remember watching the Beatles on their first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964.

I'd say Ali, and it's not close for me.
 
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jwinslow said:
ali had no impact on prejudiced white folk being forced to respect the dominance of a black athlete?
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Joe Louis is the one who deserves the credit for that. Most of Ali's victories came against other black athletes. They were pretty much dominant in boxing as far back as I can remember. But maybe BB remembers better than me. :biggrin:

As I mentioned, I was rooting for Smokin' Joe, so I pretty much hated Ali the way a Browns fan hates the Steelers.
 
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tedginn05 said:
Lennon promoted and was deeply invovled in the peace movement and was against the war. If promoting peace to stop a war that killed thousands isn't an impact, then I don't know what is.
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What entertainer didn't help with the "peace movement" during the Vietnam war? Lennon didn't initiate the movement, he just jumped on board like everyone else. "Promoting peace" does not stop bad guys from killing people, and the exit of American troops from Vietnam did not stop the killing. But if the goal of the "peace movement" was victory for the communists, then I guess you could say Lennon helped with that. But he was one of literally hundreds of entertainers that helped carry water for the bad guys during that shameful period of our history. I don't think anything would have been different if he had stayed out of it.
 
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