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TexasBuck: "As for hitting Piazza in the head, do we know for a fact Clemens intended the pitch to be anything but a brush-back?"

Ditto. Great take. Nobody wants to see Piazza or anybody get hit in the head or hurt, but that pitch was definately meant to be a bow-tie. And there's nothing wrong with that.

"Even if it was intended to hit him, I think you'll find the Hall of Fame is filled with pitchers who threw at hitters. (Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale to name a couple) The other Hall of Fame worthy power pitchers of the current era (Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson) have also had head-hunting acquisitions against them at one time or another."

Another great take. How come its glorified when Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale threw at hitters (before the batting helmet, I might add), but villified when modern day pitchers do it?

I will say this: I never, ever, ever want to see anybody hurt. Even if its for a team that I hate. I wish Piazza never got hit in the head. But that type of "message" pitch that Roger threw needed to be thrown.

Piazza OWNED Clemens before that. Mostly because Mike (in his prime) could hit the outside sinking fork ball/slider out for Home Runs. He was the best I ever saw at that, and the only guy I ever saw who could do it consistently. 99.999% of the time, if you get a base hit off that pitch, its a single to the opposite field. Piazza would lean over the plate and take that pitch over the CF wall, and that has been Clemens' out pitch in the latter half of his career.

When a particular hitter leans over the plate and consistently takes your out-pitch deep, then its definately time for a brush back.
 
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Scotty "Big Power" Podsednik bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TexasBuck said:
Even if Clemens hit Piazza with the bat, it wasn't going hurt him other than a bump or a bruise. As for hitting Piazza in the head, do we know for a fact Clemens intended the pitch to be anything but a brush-back? Even if it was intended to hit him, I think you'll find the Hall of Fame is filled with pitchers who threw at hitters. (Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale to name a couple) The other Hall of Fame worthy power pitchers of the current era (Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson) have also had head-hunting acquisitions against them at one time or another. Fear is part of being a successful power pitcher.
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do you know how pathetic you sound justifying somebody who threw a bat at a player?

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
do you know how pathetic you sound justifying somebody who threw a bat at a player?
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It's wrong to dismiss a guy's entire brilliant career because of one case of poor judgement...Or as far as we know, an accident. Below is Clemen's take of the incident in which he claims it was an accident. And you want to run him over with a semi-truck in the parking lot for this? Now who's pathetic sounding?

''My fault, my fault,'' Clemens said, tapping his chest, as he spoke to Reliford for about a minute before returning to the Yankees' dugout.

''I came back into the dugout and I said I've got to get control of my emotions and calm down,'' Clemens said after the game. ''I told Charlie, the umpire, I didn't know Mike was coming out. I guess it came close to him. That was my emotions.

''There was no intent. I was fired up and emotional and flung the bat toward the on-deck circle where the batboy was. I had no idea that Mike was running.''

(Source USA Today 10/23/00)
 
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TexasBuck said:
It's wrong to dismiss a guy's entire brilliant career because of one case of poor judgement...Or as far as we know, an accident. Below is Clemen's take of the incident in which he claims it was an accident. And you want to run him over with a semi-truck in the parking lot for this? Now who's pathetic sounding?

''My fault, my fault,'' Clemens said, tapping his chest, as he spoke to Reliford for about a minute before returning to the Yankees' dugout.

''I came back into the dugout and I said I've got to get control of my emotions and calm down,'' Clemens said after the game. ''I told Charlie, the umpire, I didn't know Mike was coming out. I guess it came close to him. That was my emotions.

''There was no intent. I was fired up and emotional and flung the bat toward the on-deck circle where the batboy was. I had no idea that Mike was running.''

(Source USA Today 10/23/00)
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First of all, get a clue. I never said I wanted to run him over with a semi truck. Learn how to read.

Second, Of course Clemens isn't going to say "Yeah I chucked the bat right at that faggot. I hate him."

What I find a little strange was that this account of what happened didn't say anything about him thinking it was a ball......which was his original story. Which of course begs the question, why are you throwing a baseball at somebody running down the basepath.

Other good questions that arise from your "excuse":
He didn't know Mike Piazza was going to be running down the basepath? Where do runners usually go after hitting the ball?
 
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I completely agree that all the pieces don't add up to explain why Clemens threw the bat. Maybe Clemens thought Piazza was instructing his pitchers to throw at Yankee hitters sometime in the past? Maybe Piazza grabbed his wife's ass at a function the night before? We'll never know the full story. I just wanted to post Clemen's story because it is a possibility.

I think the two mostly likely reasons are

1) A misguided intimidation ploy. As Sloopy45 pointed out, Piazza had tremendous success off Clemens the first several times the two faced each other. Clemens was trying to get in Piazza's head and gain the advantage over him.

2) All the adrenaline and stress of the World Series coupled with his recent history with Piazza (Pegging him in the head) caused Clemens to temporarily "lose it" when the bat came at him.

Regardless, this incident should not define him. I'm not going to chuck Clemens career aside and only remember him for this. He's accomplished way to much to do that. That's been my central point and reason I replied in the first place.
 
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Being born on the south side of Chicago you have many downs, but right now.. it is great to be a SOX fan.

It is funny how baseball fans in Chicago are divided, but once football starts we all come together. DITKA IS GOD!



Cubs fans are tree huggers!
 
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