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Worst Possible OOC Loss

  • Losing to an in-state team

    Votes: 38 77.6%

  • Losing to an non-MAC mid major (WAC, CUSA, MWC...)

    Votes: 9 18.4%

  • Losing to low level OOC BCS Team (Vandy, Ole Miss, Texas Tech...)

    Votes: 2 4.1%
  • Total voters
    49
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To me losing to low-level OOC BCS team is as bad, if not worse, than losing to a top-flight I-AA team like ASU or YSU. ASU proved Saturday that they belong in I-A. ASU would pound many Sun Belt teams, and would beat many if not most MAC teams. Of course, the media and many fans (as evidenced here) still hold that stigma on teams just for their being in the I-AA division.
 
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In 1957, tOSU lost a home opener to TCU, and ended that year with a National Championship. TCU also won at Oklahoma in their 2005 home opener, and that loss hurt them, but didn't do permanent damage to the program. So scenario #2 is not so bad, depending on which non-BCS team it is.

I voted in-state.
 
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Not sure about your poll suggestions, because I don't think there would be much shame in losing to some of the teams in your example based on what years those teams peak (MWC: TCU, BYU or Utah, WAC: Boise St., Fresno St. or Hawaii, and Texas Tech). A loss to an in-state MAC school would suck, but that's probably bound to happen -- the law of averages is bound to catch up sometime. A lot of MAC teams hit these peaks for a one or two year stretch, and we will eventually catch one of these teams in a year after we lose 10-15 Jrs and Srs to graduation and the NFL draft. I think it's going to eventually happen, it's really only a question of when.

Right now, I think losing to a Sun Belt squad would be the most damaging. Sun Belt teams are horrendous.
 
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only if ysu wins nat'l championship this year and then beats us in da shoe when we're in the top 5 in the nation next year will we be as pathetic as tsun is right now. god do they suck. no in state loss would be as embarrassing at least they are div 1 opponents. :scum4::oh::io:
 
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OK, the point I'm trying to get at here is that a lot of people have no problem loading up the schedule with two or three in-state teams, yet an overwhelming majority also seem to feel that a loss to an in-state team would be worse than being upset by other programs of a lesser stature.

While, it's probably bound to happen at some point, why hasten that day by playing more than one per year. It's not like these schools do anything for us at all (the football program, the overall athletic department or the university at large) in return for our loading up the ooc schedule every year with them.

Maybe, I don't get it. Maybe, not having grown up in Ohio, I don't understand the attachment to these schools. They mean nothing more to me than does Central Michigan or Fresno State.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;919826; said:
OK, the point I'm trying to get at here is that a lot of people have no problem loading up the schedule with two or three in-state teams, yet an overwhelming majority also seem to feel that a loss to an in-state team would be worse than being upset by other programs of a lesser stature.

While, it's probably bound to happen at some point, why hasten that day by playing more than one per year. It's not like these schools do anything for us at all (the football program, the overall athletic department or the university at large) in return for our loading up the ooc schedule every year with them.

Maybe, I don't get it. Maybe, not having grown up in Ohio, I don't understand the attachment to these schools. They mean nothing more to me than does Central Michigan or Fresno State.
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I think the results differed from your expectations due to the way the poll was constructed. There isn't major shame in losing to Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Boise State, or TCU. Those schools are not 'of a lesser stature' than MAC teams like Toledo, BG, or Akron.

To me, losing to a Sun Belt team, or another bad non-BCS team (like Utah State) would be worse than losing to Toledo, BG, or Akron. The location of the schools doesn't affect my thinking very much.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;919826; said:
OK, the point I'm trying to get at here is that a lot of people have no problem loading up the schedule with two or three in-state teams, yet an overwhelming majority also seem to feel that a loss to an in-state team would be worse than being upset by other programs of a lesser stature.

While, it's probably bound to happen at some point, why hasten that day by playing more than one per year. It's not like these schools do anything for us at all (the football program, the overall athletic department or the university at large) in return for our loading up the ooc schedule every year with them.

Maybe, I don't get it. Maybe, not having grown up in Ohio, I don't understand the attachment to these schools. They mean nothing more to me than does Central Michigan or Fresno State.
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I'll offer an explanation. I don't know if this is what the school (Jim Tressel) is thinking, but from my perspective it seems to fit.

Jim Tressel cares about what is good for Ohio Football. To him, it not just about Ohio State. Getting other people, fans of other in-state schools, into the Horseshoe and on TV is good for football in Ohio.

From another perspective, it is good for "branding". A lot of these fans of other schools might be borderline OSU fans. When they get a chance to go to the Horseshoe however, their connection to Ohio State is strengthened; providing that they are treated well while there. Giving "their" team a shot at Ohio State also creates goodwill between "us" and "them" and adds to the bond.

To sum up, it's good for Ohio Football and it helps to strengthen the bonds between Ohio State and the fans in Ohio for whom Ohio State is their "second" team. Jim Tressel has probably done the calculus and figured that the damage done by the eventual loss will be less than the mountain of good between now and then.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;919870; said:
Jim Tressel cares about what is good for Ohio Football. To him, it not just about Ohio State. Getting other people, fans of other in-state schools, into the Horseshoe and on TV is good for football in Ohio.
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I'm a big fan of Tressel, but I hope that's not how he feels. He doesn't work for "Ohio football." "Ohio football" doesn't pay him a couple of million dollars a year. His first--his only--allegiance should be to Ohio State University, and his actions should be based first and foremost on what is best for Ohio State University and its students, faculty and alumni. I don't have a problem with him wanting to "build up" Ohio football, but those considerations should take a clear backseat to what's in the best interests of his employer.

DaddyBigBucks;919870; said:
From another perspective, it is good for "branding". A lot of these fans of other schools might be borderline OSU fans. When they get a chance to go to the Horseshoe however, their connection to Ohio State is strengthened; providing that they are treated well while there. Giving "their" team a shot at Ohio State also creates goodwill between "us" and "them" and adds to the bond.
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Good points all, and I agree with them--to a point. To me, however, it's a matter of perspective. Again, I don't have a problem with giving one in-state school that shot each year, but we seem to have gone way overboard. What about "branding" Ohio State in other regions of the country. Wisconsin is playing in Vegas this weekend, which has become a major recruiting hotbed in recent years--not to mention providing a hell of a good road trip for their alumni.:biggrin:

To me, it's a matter of balance. For as many problems as I have with what some of these schools have tried to do to Ohio State in the past, I do believe that the old policy of never playing them was mistaken. I, however, also feel that the policy of loading our ooc of schedule with them to the point of neglecting other opportunities and considerations is also wrong. There has to be some common middle ground. For me, that's one game per year and perhaps two every third year. That would give every D1 team in Ohio the chance to play in Ohio Stadium every six years.
 
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Parity in football today is really bringing alot of divisions closer together even if its in the out of conference institutions. Your OOC schools are loading up with alot of JUCO kids too. And California is loaded with those schools. Look at the strenght of the PAC-10 this year. I have to agree that the upset of Michigan this year was the biggest in sports history. But from what I heard from Appy State was they thought they had a real shot at Michigan. When they played YSU in the semi's of the 1-AA they were a real fast and strong bunch of kids. Youngstown State never had a chance. Losing to a lower team in the divisions may happen more often than not in the future of college football
 
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