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What will it take for a RB to win the Heisman?

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NextBuck

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This decade it has become more and more obvious that the Heisman is just the "Best QB on a Top 10 team in the Nation" award. Guys like Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden have gotten close in recent years, but never close enough to actually being a true threat for the award. Now while we could also bring up WR's like Larry Fitzgerald and Mike Williams of USC, the closest position to actually beating a QB for the Heisman is RB.

I've taken the past 4 Heisman Winners at RB and have listed their stats:

Eddie George:
1,927 Yards
24 TD's
152.2 Yards Per Game

Ricky Williams:
2,397 Yards
29 TD's
5.9 YPC

Ron Dayne:
1,834 Yards
6.0 YPC
19 TD

Reggie Bush:
1,740 Yards
8.7 YPC
16 TD

37 Receptions
478 Yards
2 TD's

-Three out of four of them are plain old badass RB's and Bush is a great APB.
-Between the 3 RB's they have all rushed for over 1,800 yards and 19 TD's.
-3 out of 4 of them are on all-time top 10 teams (minus Dayne).
-3 out of 4 of them were on teams where they were much more important than their QB (minus Bush)

Everyone nowadays is saying that for a RB to win the Heisman they need to be just as versital as Bush. Is that really necessary though? If a RB on a Top 10 team was to rush for lets say 1,900 yards and 20 TD's could he beat a QB with 3,500 yards passing, 30 TD's, and less than 10 INT's on a Top 10 team? I'd like to think so.

I personally think the only RB who has gotten robbed this decade was Adrian Peterson. Personally I think Matt Leinart should have won the award the year Jason White did. Tebow and Smith both deserved their Heismans over McFadden.

Besides that maybe only Larry Johnson and Willis McGahee are in the discussion for RB's deserving the Heisman this decade.

What do you think a RB needs to do to win the Heisman? Or do you think the media overplays the whole idea that the Heisman is now only for QB's?

My Thoughts:
1,800+ Yards
19+ TD's
Top 10 Team

This should be good enough to have you in the running legitimately
 
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NextBuck;1516564; said:
My Thoughts:
1,800+ Yards
19+ TD's
Top 10 Team

This should be good enough to have you in the running legitimately
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The stats you listed plus:
-A new starting QB for USC. If it is the guys second year forget about it.
-A Tebow graduation/ascendancy to see dad.
-An official seal of approval from Bristol.
 
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These things run in streaks... always have, always will.

We have had a great run of QBs, and in fact we have the best class of QBs this year that we've had in 25 years or so IMHO (in college fb overall).

The pendulum will swing the other way, and soon.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1516575; said:
These things run in streaks... always have, always will.

We have had a great run of QBs, and in fact we have the best class of QBs this year that we've had in 25 years or so IMHO (in college fb overall).

The pendulum will swing the other way, and soon.
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I agree about the strength at QB the past couple of years. Whenever I tell my dad that I think Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, Tommy Fraizer, Troy Smith, Peyton Manning, and Charlie Ward all Top 10 QB's all time (IMO) he always harasses me for not remembering the old school. He agrees they're great though.

I think the same could be said for WR this decade alone. Charles Rogers, Calvin Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Mike Williams, Dwayne Jarrett, Andre Johnson, Roy Williams (UT), Reggie Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Josh Reed, Antonio Bryant, Mark Clayton, Dez Bryant, etc in one decade I think is crazy.
 
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NextBuck;1516564; said:
My Thoughts:
1,800+ Yards
19+ TD's
Top 10 Team
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I think that the RB will need to be better than that to win it this year. With the media circle-jerk that's been going on for the past couple season for Tebow, as well as the mystique of a second candidate for his second Heisman (Bradford), it's hard to believe that even McCoy will have a chance. But if McCoy has a year like last, I think many voters will think he deserves the award before Tebow or Bradford deserves a second.

I've got the feeling that it's McCoy's to lose. Tebow and Bradford will be chasing him all year long, and if he trips up, one of those two will happily take over.

For a running back to get any real consideration this year, in my opinion, he'll need to either have unheard-of numbers (2,200 yards and 25 touchdowns or so), plus have some unremarkable seasons by all three of the "pre-chosen" quarterbacks. Getting his team to the national championship game may be required, too.
 
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NextBuck;1516564; said:
-3 out of 4 of them were on teams where they were lightyears better than their QB (minus Bush)
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I don't know that I would call George "lightyears better" than Hoying.
Hoying was pretty solid that year (and finished 10th in the Heisman).

Yards: 3,269
Attempts: 341
Completions: 211
TD: 29
Passing Efficiency: 163.4
 
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NextBuck;1516583; said:
I agree about the strength at QB the past couple of years. Whenever I tell my dad that I think Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow, Tommy Fraizer, Troy Smith, Peyton Manning, and Charlie Ward all Top 10 QB's all time (IMO) he always harasses me for not remembering the old school. He agrees they're great though.

I think the same could be said for WR this decade alone. Charles Rogers, Calvin Johnson, Michael Crabtree, Mike Williams, Dwayne Jarrett, Andre Johnson, Roy Williams (UT), Reggie Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, Josh Reed, Antonio Bryant, Mark Clayton, Dez Bryant, etc in one decade I think is crazy.
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Okay, I gotta call you out. Maybe two of those QBs warrant discussion for "all time". Saying they're ALL top ten ALL TIME may be the most short sighted opinion Ive ever seen.
 
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ochre;1517163; said:
I don't know that I would call George "lightyears better" than Hoying.
Hoying was pretty solid that year (and finished 10th in the Heisman).

Yards: 3,269
Attempts: 341
Completions: 211
TD: 29
Passing Efficiency: 163.4
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Sorry about that. I used pretty bad wording when I typed that. I was trying to say that the RB was more important to the team basically.
Like for a RB to win I don't think there could be a QB on the same team of equal importance. I think the RB would need to be the focal point (Like Wells last year or McFadden a few years ago). Because if a QB is just as good on the same team then the media will probably vote for him. Hoying was good, but George was his superior kinda (ya know what I mean).

NFBuck;1517165; said:
Okay, I gotta call you out. Maybe two of those QBs warrant discussion for "all time". Saying they're ALL top ten ALL TIME may be the most short sighted opinion Ive ever seen.
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I think we all have different opinions on this, so we cant all agree. Considering I'm younger I also have more modern guys on the list. I think in recent years QB play has vastly improved. I do disagree with you when you say only two guys on that list should be considered Top 10. Fraizer, Leinart, and Young should all be locks IMO. I'll be honest and say that Troy Smith is a homer pick, but yeah :wink:

I made a list for another post so here is my unbiased list (no order):

Sammy Baugh
Jim Plunkett
Roger Staubach
Charlie Ward
Peyton Manning
Danny Wuerffuel
Tommy Fraizer
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Tim Tebow

Now I understand Tebow is debatable, but I think after this year he will solidify his spot. The rest I think are all solid choices.

If you dont mind can I see your opinion on the top 10 QB's?

Don't get me wrong I respect guys like Flutie, Kosar, Elway, Lojack, etc. I just prefer these guys
 
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Unless they all get hurt or somehow have bad years, no one besides the Trinity are going to be in serious consideration for the Heisman.

Like the other poster said, it would take a 2000yd+ season with 25-28 TDs along with a top ten team to make a serious challenge. After this year with Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy leaving, it's going to be Pryor, Barkley, and Griffin time (along with a few others).

I'm trying to think of some big time RBs that could challenge QBs in the next few years, but I can't think of one. Maybe Rodgers.
 
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