What will be tOSU's record in the 2011/12 season?

[DaddyBigBucks]

that narrows it down to 3 bets

3 bets: but more than 3 possible outcomes

Even if this team goes undefeated through the regular season and the rematch with Nebraska (highly unlikely IMO), there will be many in the media who will not vote them in the top 2 because they will believe that this team does not deserve to play in the BCS-NCG. I don't know if it will be enough to keep them out of the game, and I highly doubt we find out; but it will definitely be a topic of discussion if OSU happens to start out 6-0 with a win in Lincoln.

 

[Nicknam4]

3 bets: but more than 3 possible outcomes

Even if this team goes undefeated through the regular season and the rematch with Nebraska (highly unlikely IMO), there will be many in the media who will not vote them in the top 2 because they will believe that this team does not deserve to play in the BCS-NCG. I don't know if it will be enough to keep them out of the game, and I highly doubt we find out; but it will definitely be a topic of discussion if OSU happens to start out 6-0 with a win in Lincoln.

Why wouldn't they deserve to play in the National Title? The Tat-4 will have served their punishment and the other 119 players haven't done anything wrong.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Why wouldn't they deserve to play in the National Title? The Tat-4 will have served their punishment and the other 119 players haven't done anything wrong.

My post had nothing whatever to do with whether they should play for the National Title; but rather the easily predictable media claims that they don't deserve it. You and I both know the truth; but will that stop Fat Urkel (mark may) and friends from saying the opposite? Hardly

 

[Zurp]

3 bets: but more than 3 possible outcomes

Even if this team goes undefeated through the regular season and the rematch with Nebraska (highly unlikely IMO), there will be many in the media who will not vote them in the top 2 because they will believe that this team does not deserve to play in the BCS-NCG. I don't know if it will be enough to keep them out of the game, and I highly doubt we find out; but it will definitely be a topic of discussion if OSU happens to start out 6-0 with a win in Lincoln.

1. I agree that it is unlikely that we'll find out. No matter who the quarterback is, he's going to be untested. Yeah - so was Krenzel. So I won't say there's no chance Ohio State is 13-0 after the conference championship game.
2. That's a good point - many of the media will keep Ohio State as low as maybe 5 or 7 if they're undefeated. But there's two other things to consider: 1) Who cares what the media says? They aren't part of the BCS, anymore. 2) Even if the Harris Poll and the Coaches' Poll have guys who pick an undefeated BCS team as low as 5, I think enough other guys will vote them high enough to get them to the top 3. I think that's the thing: if there are other undefeated teams, Ohio State may not be able to pass them in the rankings.

 

[Woody1968]

I guess I'm more pessimistic. I went through each of the 12 games and rated them based on the chances that they'd win. A 0.00 means that I think they have no chance to win, and a 1.00 means that I think they have no chance to lose. (With a brand new quarterback, I find it very hard to rate any game above 0.95.) Add all the scores, and that's my prediction for the number of wins for the season.

Akron - 0.95
Toledo - 0.95
Miami - 0.50
Colorado - 0.90
Michigan State - 0.75
Nebraska - 0.30
Illinois - 0.80
Wisconsin - 0.30
Indiana - 0.90
Purdue - 0.70
Penn State - 0.75
Michigan - 0.75

Overall Record - 8.55-3.45
Conference Record - 5.25-2.75

Of course, the last time I was this pessimistic about a new quarterback was also the last time Ohio State had a possibility of playing 14 games in the season. I predicted 8 wins that year, too. I would love to be wrong again.

You really think Purdue is a tougher game than MSU, PSU or UM?

 

[Woody1968]

My post had nothing whatever to do with whether they should play for the National Title; but rather the easily predictable media claims that they don't deserve it. You and I both know the truth; but will that stop Fat Urkel (mark may) and friends from saying the opposite? Hardly

Who cares? They don't get to vote, and I'd have a hard time believing it if any team ran the table in the new B1G and didn't get a place in the title game.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

So you don't thnk the media affect the opinions of those who do vote in BCS-affiliated polls? Really?

 

[BB73]

So you don't thnk the media affect the opinions of those who do vote in BCS-affiliated polls? Really?

They do, but I think the only teams that could end up above a 13-0 tOSU team this season are:

Undefeated Big XII Champion
Undefeated PAC-12 Champion (USC is not eligible)
Undefeated Florida State (they play #1 Oklahoma early)
Undefeated or 1-loss SEC Champion (the media would hype 1-loss Bama/LSU over tOSU)

I don't see a Big East team or any ACC team besides FSU being ahead of a 13-0 tOSU. Va Tech's schedule is a joke, but if they beat an undefeated FSU in the ACC CCG, they could get a late boost.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

They do, but I think the only teams that could end up above a 13-0 tOSU team this season are:

Undefeated Big XII Champion
Undefeated PAC-12 Champion (USC is not eligible)
Undefeated Florida State (they play #1 Oklahoma early)
Undefeated or 1-loss SEC Champion (the media would hype 1-loss Bama/LSU over tOSU)

I don't see a Big East team or any ACC team besides FSU being ahead of a 13-0 tOSU. Va Tech's schedule is a joke, but if they beat an undefeated FSU in the ACC CCG, they could get a late boost.

Agreed on all counts. As stated previously; I don't expect we'll be having this conversation in November.

But

The pissing and moaning about Ohio State being ranked above 1-loss Boy Z would be hilarious

 

[NateG]

So you don't thnk the media affect the opinions of those who do vote in BCS-affiliated polls? Really?

I think it will affect it some but really not a ton more than any previous season.

This whole premise has never been proven. The premise that the media bias against OSU would keep them out of a title game. OSU has never forced their hand to keep them out. Even when OSU lost late in 07, they still got voted back up into the title game(would have been the only reasonable chance to do so. (09 title game had 2 1 loss teams(OSU was a 2 loss team), 10 title game had undefeateds(OSU had 2 losses), last year had undefeateds(OSU 1 loss))

This premise started the year following the debacle in Tempe. If OSU goes undefeated this year, they will be in the title game(barring 3-4 undefeated teams from the big 6 conferences, which I don't believe will happen). The money that follows OSU into these big bowl games has been shown to affect the selection process. The NCAA even bent their suspension process to put big name players in the bowl last year knowing that it would keep the money flowing. There is a reason OSU has been getting chosen for BCS games over MSU, Wisky, Iowa, and State Penn. Don't kid yourself. It's about money.

Outside of the unforseeable PS ban, this whole circus should be about over(thanks to Miami, ironic I know).

LSU vs Oregon knocks one undefeated possibility out. FSU vs Oklahoma knocks another. Then add in Oregon vs Stanford, OKLA vs Tex, Georgia vs Boise, FSU vs Florida, Boise vs TCU, Pitt vs WVU, SEC title, ACC title(FSU vs VT), Pac 12 title will only have Oregon or Stanford. It is very likely that there will be many teams even with chance to go undefeated.

Now if you say a 1 loss Buckeye team gets shut out, that could be feasible. But again it would be another season that we didn't force the voters to leave out an undefeated Buckeye squad with all that money sitting there.

 

[Woody1968]

They do, but I think the only teams that could end up above a 13-0 tOSU team this season are:

Undefeated Big XII Champion
Undefeated PAC-12 Champion (USC is not eligible)
Undefeated Florida State (they play #1 Oklahoma early)
Undefeated or 1-loss SEC Champion (the media would hype 1-loss Bama/LSU over tOSU)

I don't see a Big East team or any ACC team besides FSU being ahead of a 13-0 tOSU. Va Tech's schedule is a joke, but if they beat an undefeated FSU in the ACC CCG, they could get a late boost.

I have doubts about the undefeated Pac-12 champ, unless it is Stanford or Oregon.

 

[Yertle]

That's a good point - many of the media will keep Ohio State as low as maybe 5 or 7 if they're undefeated.

Wow, that would be the icing on the cake. An undefeated Buckeye team ranked below 1 or 2 loss teams from other major conferences... like an Auburn, Oregon, Alabama, North Carolina, USC, Miami... who are all squeeky clean with the NCAA of course. If that happens, we ought to all just stop kidding ourselves and change the name of the sport to Pro Wrestling.

Personally, I'd love to see the Buckeyes go undefeated for a few reasons:
1. I ALWAYS want to see the Buckeyes go undefeated.
2. I would love to see the media squirm NOT voting them in the top 2.
3. Fuck the NCAA.
4. Fuck ESPN.
5. Fuck Michigan.

 

[BB73]

I have doubts about the undefeated Pac-12 champ, unless it is Stanford or Oregon.

Yep - I said 'could' end up above tOSU, not that they would for sure - I was trying to account for all reasonable possibilities that could keep a 13-0 tOSU out of the BCS Title game. As long as only 1 of those 4 things happens, I think 13-0 tOSU would end up being at least #2 in the BCS.

It's not quite yet time to start up this year's chaos thread, though.

 

[Nicknam4]

The computer doesn't care how a program is run, so if we go 13-0 at least we have it on our side.

 

[Tonyank]

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