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What should the Chargers do at QB?

Which QB should the Chargers go with?

  • Brees

    Votes: 12 57.1%
  • Rivers

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Keep them both

    Votes: 7 33.3%

  • Total voters
    21

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Brees needs surgery on torn labrum
By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
January 2, 2006

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- The Chargers' decision on Drew Brees' future became much cloudier Monday when the quarterback said he needs surgery for a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder.

Brees dislocated his right shoulder in a home loss to the Denver Broncos on Saturday, and an MRI on Sunday revealed the torn cartilage.

The fifth-year pro plans to travel Tuesday to Birmingham, Ala., to get a second opinion from orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews, and would like to have surgery this week.

"Obviously I'd like to get this thing operated on as soon as possible," Brees said. "We're all very optimistic. The doctors are very optimistic, saying that this is something that they've seen before, done before. It shouldn't be a big deal."

Brees anticipates a four-month rehab, which means he should be ready for minicamp.

The Chargers (9-7) missed the playoffs for the ninth time in 10 seasons.

Before Brees throws another pass, though, the Chargers must decide whether to give him a long-term deal or once again slap him with the "franchise" tag, which would keep him around for one more year at close to $10 million. The deadline for designating franchise players is Feb. 23.

General manager A.J. Smith didn't return calls for the second straight day, and the Chargers didn't make anyone from the front office available to comment about Brees. Trainer James Collins also was off-limits.

"I'm not allowed to talk to the media about any injuries," Collins said.

Asked if it's more or less likely that the Chargers will give him the long-term deal he wants, Brees said: "I think it's the same situation. In my mind, I feel like I'm going to come back better than ever after this deal. I wouldn't even call it a setback. It's an opportunity for me to just get going a little bit earlier than expected, rehabbing and working out, and making sure when I come back I'm better than I was when I went in."

After Brees led them to a 12-4 record and the AFC West title in 2004, the Chargers made him their "franchise" player, keeping him around for one year at $8 million.

Backup quarterback Philip Rivers, who's played sparingly in two seasons, has four years remaining on his contract. The Chargers say they have the room under the salary cap to keep Brees and Rivers again next year.

Rivers looked rusty when he replaced Brees Saturday, although he did lead the Chargers on their only scoring drive of the game.

"I think with this shoulder or not, I think you all will be asking the same questions," Brees told reporters. "Who knows what's going to happen? And I don't. I just worry about the things I can control, and right now it's taking care of this thing. But I truly believe I'm going to get better and better every year."

Actually, Brees regressed from his Pro Bowl year of 2004, when he threw for 3,159 yards and 27 touchdowns, with only seven interceptions, for a team-record passer rating of 104.8, which was third-best in the NFL.

He threw for 3,576 yards this year, but had fewer touchdowns, 24, and more than twice as many interceptions, 15. His rating dropped to 89.2, 10th in the league.

Brees was hurt late in the second quarter Saturday. He dropped back to pass in his end zone and was blindsided by safety John Lynch, who knocked the ball loose. Brees dived for the ball and defensive tackle Gerard Warren landed on him.

"In order for it to be dislocated, some other things are going to have to give way. The labrum was the thing that kind of gave way," Brees said.

Brees said he probably shouldn't have dived for the ball, "just because you know guys are going to take shots at you. But being in the situation in the game, the last thing I wanted them to do was recover that fumble, especially recover it in the end zone. When you're in the heat of the battle you don't have time to think about it."

Although the Chargers had been eliminated from the playoff picture a week earlier, they played their starters in an attempt to get their 10th victory.

"I absolutely should have been in the game because we were trying to win that football game," Brees said. "I'm the starting quarterback and I need to be in there to help us win. No doubt in my mind."

Before the injury I would say they had to stay with Brees, but now who knows if he will ever be as good as he was in 2004. I've respected Rivers ever since the game in the Shoe. I was hoping that he would look better than he did replacing Brees, but the Chargers management has some decisions to make. Do they want to gamble that Brees can totally recover from a major injury to his throwing shoulder? Personally I think I would go with Rivers and see if I could shop Brees for a 3rd or 4th round pick. It would suck for the Chargers if they go with Brees just to see him turn into Pennington and sink the team. The Chargers say they can go anther year with both of them but paying 2 QB's starters money would have to hurt the rest of the team.
 
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Before the injury I would say they had to stay with Brees, but now who knows if he will ever be as good as he was in 2004. I've respected Rivers ever since the game in the Shoe. I was hoping that he would look better than he did replacing Brees, but the Chargers management has some decisions to make. Do they want to gamble that Brees can totally recover from a major injury to his throwing shoulder? Personally I think I would go with Rivers and see if I could shop Brees for a 3rd or 4th round pick. It would suck for the Chargers if they go with Brees just to see him turn into Pennington and sink the team. The Chargers say they can go anther year with both of them but paying 2 QB's starters money would have to hurt the rest of the team.

I'd be interested to know what they were already thinking. But... I think you have to Franchise Brees again... take alook at him and if the shoulder is okay then you need to see what a long term deal is going to look like... get Brees signed and move Rivers for '07. ( I don't tink you're allowed to Franchise and sign him to a multi year deal and still use the franchise tag the next year... but i could be incorrect) Just my humble opinion.

The "Shopping" Brees thing is a release, you get nothing for him except not having to pay him, and you get ot put your frnachise on him somewhere else.


Or 3... you could come to grips with the fact that you offense is LT and Antonio Gates and sign me to be your QB and still win most of your games.
 
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Apparently this can be a very serious injury: "But if (baseball) pitchers with torn labrums were horses, they'd be destroyed."

See interesting article:

Labrum, It Nearly Killed Him
Why the torn labrum is baseball's most fearsome injury.
By Will Carroll
Posted Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 5:02 PM ET



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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The San Francisco Giants' Robb Nen, one of the best relief pitchers in baseball, had off-season surgery in 2002 to "clean up loose particles" in his shoulder. What Nen didn't know is that he had a torn labrum, the fearsome modern baseball injury that strikes down pitchers quickly, stealthily, and painfully. Eighteen months and three surgeries later, Nen is still waiting to throw his next major-league pitch. The leading minds in baseball medicine are flummoxed by the labrum. Doctors can't agree on how to detect a tear, don't know the best way to fix one, and aren't sure why, almost without fail, a torn labrum will destroy a pitcher's career.
Leading baseball surgeon Dr. James Andrews estimates that 85 percent of pitchers make a full recovery after an ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction, aka the once risky Tommy John surgery. (USA Today has even called the surgery the "pitcher's best friend.") But if pitchers with torn labrums were horses, they'd be destroyed. Of the 36 major-league hurlers diagnosed with labrum tears in the last five years, only midlevel reliever Rocky Biddle has returned to his previous level. Think about that when your favorite pitcher comes down with labrum trouble: He has a 3 percent chance of becoming Rocky Biddle. More likely, he'll turn into Mike Harkey, Robert Person, or Jim Parque, pitchers who lost stamina and velocity—and a major-league career—when their labrums began to fray.
The labrum is a thin matrix of collagen seated between the head of the humerus (bone of the upper arm) and the glenoid fossa (the shallow depression where the humerus fits). It functions both as a shock absorber, cushioning the blow when the bones in the shoulder collide, and as part of the joint's connective structure. The kinetic forces required to throw a baseball—a major-league pitcher's arm moves at 23 rotations per second—routinely rip apart the structures designed to keep the shoulder together. The most common variety of labrum tear is a SLAP—superior lesion, anterior to posterior. The SLAP tear feels like a "catch", a slight click or pop in the normal overhand motion.
Shoulder injuries tend to present themselves as pain and tenderness with a concurrent loss of speed on the fastball. A torn labrum is no different. But because it's positioned between two bones, a damaged labrum is far more difficult to detect than other shoulder problems, like a torn rotator cuff. Doctors are only now getting the diagnostic tools to detect labrum tears, so it's impossible to say how many great hurlers of the past suffered the injury. Even today it's tough to tell which pitchers have labrum trouble. Baseball teams often consult with multiple orthopedists and radiologists in an attempt to reach a consensus. One team's policy is to show an MRI to five doctors—majority diagnosis rules. The only way to know for sure that your pitcher has a torn labrum is to conduct exploratory surgery.
If an operation is necessary, the surgeon either enters the shoulder with a scalpel or pops in one to three arthroscopes outfitted with cameras and cutting instruments. The doctor then cleans up the tear and reattaches the labrum using sutures, much as they would with a deep cut to the skin. While newer techniques involve specialized devices that standardize the anchors and sutures, shoulder surgery is still far more complex and risky than, say, an elbow reconstruction.
Coming off a 15-10 season in 2000, Mike Sirotka was a key player in an off-season trade between the Blue Jays and White Sox. Before he ever put on a Blue Jays uniform, Sirotka's left shoulder started barking. The culprit: a torn labrum. While he had been a coveted commodity just a few months before, the Sox and Jays now treated Sirotka like the plague—Commissioner Bud Selig ultimately had to force the Blue Jays to accept the trade. Sirotka, now 33, did have surgery to repair the labrum. After missing three full seasons, he tried a comeback this year. The Cubs released him in spring training.
The Seattle Mariners, perhaps more than any other team, have suffered on account of the labrum. When Seattle drafted 6-foot-10 Ryan Anderson in 1997, it seemed preordained that the titanic lefty would be the next Randy Johnson. Then Anderson had labrum surgery. He missed the entire 2002 season—and every season since. The Mariners' 25-year-old right-hander Gil Meche has already missed two full years on account of labrum-related ailments. Meche returned to the majors in 2003, but faded badly in the second half.
Position players have labrums too. Angels third baseman Troy Glaus may miss the rest of the year with his "frayed" labrum (there's no difference between a fray and a tear). Last year, Dodgers slugger Shawn Green lost a significant amount of power because of a severe labrum tear. Labrum tears also show up irregularly on the football field—the Raiders' Rich Gannon (throwing shoulder) and the Seahawks' Matt Hasselbeck (non-throwing shoulder) are part of the labrum brigade—usually when a quarterback's arm gets planted into the ground at an unnatural angle.
Still, nothing taxes a shoulder like throwing a baseball. Even if a pitcher has an ideal throwing motion, the labrum suffers. Unlike the rotator cuff, a series of four small muscles that holds the shoulder in place and decelerates the arm, the collagen-based labrum can't be strengthened. As of yet, there aren't any reliable techniques to prevent labrum injuries. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the best way to avoid injury is to keep your pitcher from throwing while fatigued. But fatigue is exceptionally difficult for a pitching coach or manager to measure—and one wrong guess can lead to the operating table.
Roger Clemens returned from a torn rotator cuff to win six Cy Young Awards and an MVP. Kerry Wood struck out 20 in a single game during his rookie year, had his elbow rebuilt, and came back throwing just as hard. But pitchers with torn labrums will have to wait a while longer for their Tommy John surgery. So far, the message from the nation's orthopedic surgeons is: We can't rebuild them. Dr. Anthony Tropiano, a top baseball arm doc, says the best available treatment option today is to do nothing. "We call it conservative treatment," he says, "but that's just a euphemism for a little rehab and a lot of prayer."
http://www.slate.com/id/2100895/
 
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Here is a little tidbit....

The Chargers' decision on Drew Brees' future became much cloudier Monday when the quarterback said he needs surgery for a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. Before Brees throws another pass, though, the Chargers must decide whether to give him a long-term deal or once again slap him with the "franchise" tag.
-- San Diego Union-Tribune
 
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1/12/06

Spilling the beans

Brees: Chargers want to pursue long-term deal


SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Drew Brees let the secret slip -- the San Diego Chargers would like to sign him to a long-term deal.
Brees was discussing his shoulder surgery and rehab during a conference call with San Diego reporters on Wednesday when he was asked if the team had told him anything about his future.
"They want to pursue me long-term," Brees said from Birmingham, Ala. "I know that's something that for the next few months everybody's going to be working on. As far as what's going on up to this point, it's not much, just the very beginning stages. I know they want me long-term and I want to be here long-term."
General manager A.J. Smith, who's always tightlipped about player transactions, at first refused to confirm that he or anyone else from the front office told Brees that.
"We don't have any comment on our business until we're complete with our business," Smith told The Associated Press.
Brees' agent, Tom Condon, said he hadn't heard from the Chargers.
"I know that Drew told me that, but I've had no conversations with the Chargers," Condon said.
A few hours later, Smith called reporters back to confirm what Brees said.
"We are going to try to long-term him," Smith said. "We originally wanted to do this in early February, but I guess Drew was just answering the question honestly."
Smith said he called Brees last Wednesday, a day before the quarterback had his torn right labrum repaired by Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham.
"I just felt it was the perfect time to rest his mind that we were going to try to get a long-term deal done, and for him not to worry about it," Smith said. "I told him to just rehab, get better and lead us to a championship. And he said, 'Fine.' "
Brees played last season under a one-year, $8 million contract as the team's "franchise" player.
Smith stressed that the two sides still must negotiate a deal.
If the Chargers and Condon haven't agreed to a contract by Feb. 23 -- well before the quarterback is throwing again -- the Chargers can retain Brees' rights by using the franchise tag again, or make him the transition player.
As the franchise player, Brees would get a one-year deal that would pay him the average of the five highest-paid quarterbacks, or just less than $10 million. If he's the transition player, he'd be paid the average of the 10 highest-paid quarterbacks.
The Chargers and Brees could continue to negotiate a long-term deal even if the team makes him the franchise or transition player.
"I would assume it would be pretty soon, obviously, because they probably want to get it done as soon as possible," Brees said. "With free agency coming up in March, the franchise-tag deadline in late February, I'm sure that that's something that's probably a big priority."
Condon also represents star running back LaDainian Tomlinson and coach Marty Schottenheimer, increasing the chances a deal would get done before the Feb. 23 deadline. If not, though, Brees could also negotiate with other teams. However, the Chargers could match any offers he received.
The Chargers gave Tomlinson a deal worth approximately $60 million in August 2004, making him the NFL's highest-paid running back.
Backup quarterback Philip Rivers has pocketed more than $14.25 million while playing sparingly the last two seasons. He still has four years left on his contract, which is potentially worth $40.5 million. The Chargers have said that they will have enough room under the salary cap to carry Brees and Rivers again next year.
Brees was hurt in a home loss to the Denver Broncos on Dec. 31 when he tried to recover his fumble and Broncos tackle Gerard Warren landed on him. He tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder, which was dislocated.
Brees will remain in Birmingham for the next few weeks.
He originally anticipated a four-month rehab, which would have had him ready for minicamp. Now he hopes to be ready by the start of training camp in late July.
"Even when you come back throwing, it's a long process just to get your arm to where you have the endurance, and you gradually work from throwing 5 yards to 10 yards," Brees said. "Even once I start throwing, it's still probably two more months or so before I start throwing routes, deep passes and all that stuff, but it's a process.
"I'd love to be throwing in May, and we'll see how this whole thing goes. But really, the most important thing for me is to be ready by training camp."
The Chargers (9-7) missed the playoffs for the ninth time in 10 seasons.
Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
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Maybe they'll trade for Eli Manning :lol:

Or maybe we are at the dawn of the A. J. Feeley era.

Seriously, that's a real tough spot. Hard to say if Brees will be injury-prone for the rest of his career, or if Rivers can do anything worth a crap.

They should probably keep them both.
 
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Its a shame about Brees' shoulder, because Rivers could probably be worth a 1st round draft pick from a bad team, and Brees is only 27 (he actually just turned 27 today, haha happy birthday, Drew) so he still has plenty of years left in him.
 
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