What impact will the 2006 Fiesta Bowl have on recruiting?

biggsj6030 · Jan 3, 2006

I dont know if somebody started this thread and merge it if there is another similar one.

Im still wondering how much this game will help tOSU recruiting? I wonder how much this weill change the minds of HS seniors on the fence about where to go. ND does appear to have a very stong recruiting class and i wonder if this will help tOSU in the battle for Ohio's best.

Buckin' A · Jan 3, 2006

It certainly can't hurt. I would think that we were always attractive to defensive players. However, this may really dress us up and dance us around for some offensive guys too!

jwinslow · Jan 3, 2006

there seemed to be a lot of battles brewing with ND for 07 players. I don't know how much this will help in 06, but it is priceless in terms of establishing who the true king of the midwest is.

AKAK · Jan 3, 2006

jwinslow said:
there seemed to be a lot of battles brewing with ND for 07 players. I don't know how much this will help in 06, but it is priceless in terms of establishing who the true king of the midwest is.

Even in '08 and '09... those kids have even less of an idea where they would go... and it makes a deep impact.

Of course, If I were a DB who could run and only wanted early PT, I know Where I'd go.

ScriptOhio · Jan 3, 2006

Who knows what the impact of this game will have on recruiting? I thought that the 2002 Fiesta Bowl win would really help recruiting that year; however, (in my opinion) the 2003 class was just average. It only had 15 players and so far only Whitner, Patterson, Gonzalez, and Youboty have seen significant playing time. Although Boeckman and Frost could be future stars.
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</TD><TD>Donte Whitner
(Glenville HS)
Cleveland, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>5-11/178/4.30 </TD><TD>12/22/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>TE </TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Louis Irizarry
(Ursuline HS)
Youngstown, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-5/230/4.70 </TD><TD>01/22/2003

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>DT </TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>David Patterson
(Warrensville Heights HS)
Warrensville Hts, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-3/275/4.80 </TD><TD>12/01/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>CB </TD><TD>6 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Dareus Hiley
(Glenville HS)
Cleveland, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-1/175/4.42 </TD><TD>12/22/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>CB </TD><TD>8 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Anthony Gonzalez
(St. Ignatius HS)
Cleveland, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-0/185/4.36 </TD><TD>04/05/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>DT </TD><TD>10 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Brandon Maupin
(Lakota West HS)
West Chester, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-5.5/280/5.00 </TD><TD>12/22/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>TE </TD><TD>11 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Marcel Frost
(Brush HS)
Lyndhurst, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-5/235/4.76 </TD><TD>01/31/2003

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>CB </TD><TD>19 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Ira Guilford
(Hoboken HS)
Hoboken, NJ
</TD><TD></TD><TD>5-11/190/4.42 </TD><TD>01/29/2003

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>LB </TD><TD>23 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Reggie Smith
(Shaw HS)
East Cleveland, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-2/235/4.53 </TD><TD>12/31/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>DT </TD><TD>24 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Sian Cotton
(St. Vincent-St. Mary HS)
Akron, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-4/305/4.90 </TD><TD>01/22/2003

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>CB </TD><TD>24 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Ashton Youboty
(Klein HS)
Klein, TX
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-0/178/4.38 </TD><TD>12/17/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>QB </TD><TD>28 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Todd Boeckman
(St. Henry HS)
St Henry, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-6/215/4.80 </TD><TD>08/16/2002

</TD><TD align=middle></TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>S </TD><TD>44 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Curt Lukens
(Hoover HS)
North Canton, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-2/202/4.47 </TD><TD>06/27/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" vAlign=center><TD>WR </TD><TD>51 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Devin Jordan
(Washington HS)
Massillon, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-3/190/4.51 </TD><TD>07/10/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR><TR onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" vAlign=center><TD>OL </TD><TD>101 </TD><TD>

</TD><TD>Kirk Barton
(Perry HS)
Massillon, OH
</TD><TD></TD><TD>6-6/275/4.75 </TD><TD>12/02/2002

</TD><TD align=middle>

</TD><TD align=middle>Ohio State </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

exhawg · Jan 3, 2006

ScriptOhio said:
Who knows what the impact of this game will have on recruiting? I thought that the 2002 Fiesta Bowl win would really help recruiting that year; however, (in my opinion) the 2003 class was just average. It only had 15 players and so far only Whitner, Patterson, Gonzalez, and Youboty have seen significant playing time. Although Boeckman and Frost could be future stars.
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 </td><td>Donte Whitner
(Glenville HS)
Cleveland, OH
</td><td></td><td>5-11/178/4.30 </td><td>12/22/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>TE </td><td>4 </td><td>

 </td><td>Louis Irizarry
(Ursuline HS)
Youngstown, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-5/230/4.70 </td><td>01/22/2003

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>DT </td><td>4 </td><td>

 </td><td>David Patterson
(Warrensville Heights HS)
Warrensville Hts, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-3/275/4.80 </td><td>12/01/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>CB </td><td>6 </td><td>

 </td><td>Dareus Hiley
(Glenville HS)
Cleveland, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-1/175/4.42 </td><td>12/22/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>CB </td><td>8 </td><td>

 </td><td>Anthony Gonzalez
(St. Ignatius HS)
Cleveland, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-0/185/4.36 </td><td>04/05/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>DT </td><td>10 </td><td>

 </td><td>Brandon Maupin
(Lakota West HS)
West Chester, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-5.5/280/5.00 </td><td>12/22/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>TE </td><td>11 </td><td>

 </td><td>Marcel Frost
(Brush HS)
Lyndhurst, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-5/235/4.76 </td><td>01/31/2003

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>CB </td><td>19 </td><td>

 </td><td>Ira Guilford
(Hoboken HS)
Hoboken, NJ
</td><td></td><td>5-11/190/4.42 </td><td>01/29/2003

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>LB </td><td>23 </td><td>

 </td><td>Reggie Smith
(Shaw HS)
East Cleveland, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-2/235/4.53 </td><td>12/31/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>DT </td><td>24 </td><td>

 </td><td>Sian Cotton
(St. Vincent-St. Mary HS)
Akron, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-4/305/4.90 </td><td>01/22/2003

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>CB </td><td>24 </td><td>

 </td><td>Ashton Youboty
(Klein HS)
Klein, TX
</td><td></td><td>6-0/178/4.38 </td><td>12/17/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>QB </td><td>28 </td><td>

 </td><td>Todd Boeckman
(St. Henry HS)
St Henry, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-6/215/4.80 </td><td>08/16/2002

</td><td align="center"></td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>S </td><td>44 </td><td>

 </td><td>Curt Lukens
(Hoover HS)
North Canton, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-2/202/4.47 </td><td>06/27/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFFF'" valign="center"><td>WR </td><td>51 </td><td>

 </td><td>Devin Jordan
(Washington HS)
Massillon, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-3/190/4.51 </td><td>07/10/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr><tr onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFF99'" style="background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238);" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='#EEEEEE'" valign="center"><td>OL </td><td>101 </td><td>

 </td><td>Kirk Barton
(Perry HS)
Massillon, OH
</td><td></td><td>6-6/275/4.75 </td><td>12/02/2002

</td><td align="center">

</td><td align="center">Ohio State </td></tr></tbody></table>

Funny, I count 6 starters out of those 15 players. Maybe you're looking at the wrong depth chart.

jwinslow · Jan 3, 2006

thinking back to the incredible 02 class, Tressel didn't have that great of a year in 01, but had a huge win over Michigan. Seeing as Michigan has been put in their place, ND was the biggest threat for recruits in the future IMO.

It seems like 03 should have been better given the NC, however it doesn't help that the #2, 4, 6, 8 and possibly 10 didn't have their head on straight. That class would be a lot better if they turned out better...

BayBuck · Jan 3, 2006

ScriptOhio said:
Who knows what the impact of this game will have on recruiting? I thought that the 2002 Fiesta Bowl win would really help recruiting that year; however, (in my opinion) the 2003 class was just average. It only had 15 players and so far only Whitner, Patterson, Gonzalez, and Youboty have seen significant playing time. Although Boeckman and Frost could be future stars.

With only a month between bowl games and signing day, a bowl win (even a NC) can only have so much impact that late in the game. But IMO that 2003 class was only subpar in its overall numbers with 15 total recruits. The next class was rated #11 by the same service you quoted, with 4 top-100s and 9 OOS guys who are still on the team. The 2005 class is already well on its way to being a great one, but this Fiesta win will help more in 2006 and beyond.

AKAK · Jan 3, 2006

jwinslow said:
thinking back to the incredible 02 class, Tressel didn't have that great of a year in 01, but had a huge win over Michigan. Seeing as Michigan has been put in their place, ND was the biggest threat for recruits in the future IMO.

It seems like 03 should have been better given the NC, however it doesn't help that the #2, 4, 6, 8 and possibly 10 didn't have their head on straight. That class would be a lot better if they turned out better...

Ummm... the bowl game in a given year has very little to do with the class coming in just a few weeks later.... Hmmm... why? because everyone has already committed.

Its about depth and prolinged success. The dividends are hardly ever cut and dry. Notre Dame benefits merely by being in the game (as do we) but the question is whether some 08 or '09 kid from Chicago (or wherever) chooses Ohio State over ND... or Michigan or whoever... from watching this year's bowls. You dont ever know when its going to happen... but it does... because if it didn't... 5 star kids would go to Toledo just because they live nearer to there than Ohio State, ND, or Michigan.

Anyway... you might swing a tweener here or there... but one bowl win and a month does not a class make.

ScriptOhio · Jan 3, 2006

Re: exhawg, "Funny, I count 6 starters out of those 15 players. Maybe you're looking at the wrong depth chart."

Besides Whitner, Patterson, Gonzalez, and Youboty who are the other two starters?

I didn't count Irizarry or Guilford. They (potentially) would have been two more starters. I guess Frost did start some games this year and I believe Boeckman could easily be the starting QB in 2007.

BayBuck · Jan 3, 2006

Frost definitely counts, as he started some this season, and the other is... Barton.

jwinslow · Jan 3, 2006

AKAKBUCK said:
Ummm... the bowl game in a given year has very little to do with the class coming in just a few weeks later.... Hmmm... why? because everyone has already committed.

fair enough, I didn't follow recruiting back then to know who was holding out until signing day... tho either way your point is valid.

exhawg · Jan 3, 2006

BayBuck said:
Frost definitely counts, as he started some this season, and the other is... Barton.

Beat me to it. Barton has been a starter for 2 years IIRC and in my opinion the TE position improved when Frost became the starter this season.

AKAK · Jan 3, 2006

jwinslow said:
fair enough, I didn't follow recruiting back then to know who was holding out until signing day... tho either way your point is valid.

Right... I don't specifically remember who the holdouts were either.. well.. one or two come to mind, but its not like 9 kids who were deciding between LSU and Georgia (or whoever) all the sudden said, "Hey, lets go be Buckeyes!"

The key is success over time and building a bigger pool of guys interested in you... that we can do it over an emerging recruiting rival (regionally) is a big plus, I think, though.

smith403 · Jan 3, 2006

Depends on whether you want a coach to prepare you for life or you prefer one who will blame losses on anybody but himself...and rant and rave in your face

What impact will the 2006 Fiesta Bowl have on recruiting?

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