What Happens in January...

[HuskerFromOhio]

That is incorrect for several reasons.

1. If it was all about "history", TCU would be higher.

2. If you don't think every game matters for EVERYONE, go ahead and have your team lose a couple.

3. Being in the top 10 at the beginning of the year doesn't always mean an automatic ticket. Case in point, 2002 or 2007. in 2002 Ohio State started 13th. In 2007, Arkansas was #1 followed by Mizzou. If those teams didn't immediately [censored] the bed theyw ould have been in the MNC game.

You are getting way off the point. None of Boise States wins mean anything because they will never get voted to the MNC they can win every game from now to the year 3000 they won't ever get voted #1 or 2 at the end of the season. Auburns wins meant absolutely nothing in 2004.

 

[Mike80]

You are getting way off the point. None of Boise States wins mean anything because they will never get voted to the MNC they can win every game from now to the year 3000 they won't ever get voted #1 or 2 at the end of the season. Auburns wins meant absolutely nothing in 2004.

How is refuting your points getting "way off base"??

 

[Tlangs]

You are getting way off the point. None of Boise States wins mean anything because they will never get voted to the MNC they can win every game from now to the year 3000 they won't ever get voted #1 or 2 at the end of the season. Auburns wins meant absolutely nothing in 2004.

So Boise going undefeated and getting to the Fiesta bowl last year means nothing? Interesting logic.

 

[Steve19]

...None of Boise States wins mean anything because they will never get voted to the MNC they can win every game from now to the year 3000 they won't ever get voted #1 or 2 at the end of the season...

This problem is completely within their capability to solve. Just schedule more teams with a heartbeat. It really is very simple. Play Eastern Michigans eight times, Bowling Greens twice and two barely top 25 teams and you won't get in.

This would, quite frankly, be Ohio State's problem this year except for that we end the season by running a gauntlet.

Another point, before I get to far ahead of myself plotting the purchase of tickets for the NC game, I want to see just how badly injured Pryor really is. Lose him and this discussion is moot.

 

[kn1f3party]

This problem is completely within their capability to solve. Just schedule more teams with a heartbeat. It really is very simple. Play Eastern Michigans eight times, Bowling Greens twice and two barely top 25 teams and you won't get in.

Not entirely true. You know how this scheduling thing works. You schedule Virginia Tech, Oregon last year, Oregon State before you really know how good they'll be. I don't know how interested USC, Texas, Florida, or Alabama is in a game with Boise State. If we lose to a Miami in week 3 we still have hope. If we lose to Boise State our national championship dreams go up in smoke.

That is just how it is.

 

[jwinslow]

Not entirely true. You know how this scheduling thing works. You schedule Virginia Tech, Oregon last year, Oregon State before you really know how good they'll be. I don't know how interested USC, Texas, Florida, or Alabama is in a game with Boise State.

Then play 4 virginia techs or oregons. They don't have to play a top-5 team, but they shouldn't be allowed in on the accomplishments of a few isolated games.

Every team in america has their Purdue or Illinois type outings, because on any given saturday, someone can rise up and win. THe same does not hold true for any given team to do so all year long. Eventually the grind and probabilities catch up with them and show whether they are really a great team.

Brian Kelly's ND team shouldn't get to play Michigan & Michigan State for a right to the national championship if the rest of their schedule is Army, Navy & the WAC. Neither should Boise State.

I'm guessing part of it is the payday their struggling athletic department desperately needs. It is not profitable to try and make their schedule more comparable. 1-2 tough matchups bring in revenue and excitement, but skipping the other cupcakes means a weaker bottom line for home game revenue.

 

[Tlangs]

Not entirely true. You know how this scheduling thing works. You schedule Virginia Tech, Oregon last year, Oregon State before you really know how good they'll be. I don't know how interested USC, Texas, Florida, or Alabama is in a game with Boise State. If we lose to a Miami in week 3 we still have hope. If we lose to Boise State our national championship dreams go up in smoke.

That is just how it is.

Boise was offered a 2 for 1 to play Nebraska and said no thanks. They are pussies.

 

[JBaney45]

Boise was offered a 2 for 1 to play Nebraska and said no thanks. They are pussies.

Yep

Boise State's athletic department has figured out the formula to bring in the cash. They aren't TRYING to make it to the national championship, they are trying to make their schedule just hard enough to get a BCS bowl and snatch up that money. The risk vs reward of trying to play a murderous non conference slate just isn't there.

 

[MaxBuck]

This noise about Boise State being "overlooked" for the national championship game is such hogwash. If they were in a real conference, they'd never be able to get to a point where such conversation would be meaningful.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

This is a lie. What is the difference of winning every game by 50 or losing every game if you are Boise State? The system basically says if you don't start out in the top 10 or have a 50 years of history your wins mean S#!T

I'm not sure where to go with this.

If Boise State goes undefeated, and every other teams loses 2 or 3 times, then Boise State will go to the National Title game. Every game does matter, it just so happens to be that there is often more deserving teams to go to the title game, which means that many victories matter more. That being said, you lose too often and you're out of every BCS picture not just the National Title game.

Unfortunately for fairness, the fact remains that the system we have in place now has to subjectively define who deserves what. That means the Broncos would probably be the least-deserving undefeated team based on strength of schedule; a key component to most people when discussing the merits of the national title game contenders.

 

[kn1f3party]

Boise was offered a 2 for 1 to play Nebraska and said no thanks. They are pussies.

There is more that goes in to these decisions than how much hair they have on their nuts.

Yep

Boise State's athletic department has figured out the formula to bring in the cash. They aren't TRYING to make it to the national championship, they are trying to make their schedule just hard enough to get a BCS bowl and snatch up that money. The risk vs reward of trying to play a murderous non conference slate just isn't there.

I don't necessarily disagree with this. I think there are other factors too. By keeping their schedule just strong enough it helps with recruiting, etc. A lot of these programs struggle to stay profitable as well. The bottom line is important.

Regardless, any opinion I have on this matter is going to be skewed by my bias towards a playoff.

I'm not sure where to go with this.

If Boise State goes undefeated, and every other teams loses 2 or 3 times, then Boise State will go to the National Title game. Every game does matter, it just so happens to be that there is often more deserving teams to go to the title game, which means that many victories matter more. That being said, you lose too often and you're out of every BCS picture not just the National Title game.

Unfortunately for fairness, the fact remains that the system we have in place now has to subjectively define who deserves what. That means the Broncos would probably be the least-deserving undefeated team based on strength of schedule; a key component to most people when discussing the merits of the national title game contenders.

I don't expect Armageddon of the perfect records. The most likely scenario I see is Boise State and one other team from a BCS conference remaining unbeaten. We'll have a few one loss teams as well. That is where it gets really challenging. People can argue Alabama plays in the "SEC...SEC...SEC" until they're blue in the face but if Auburn goes wild on them and beats them by 20+ and has a couple of losses of their own I find it hard to put them in a championship game over a Boise State team that has done everything right.

All of this is subjective, which we'll definitely agree on. Bring the playoff! It would be a hell of a lot more interesting. For more discussion see the college playoff thread.

 

[Esoteria]

Personally, after all these years of listening to the Boise State swooning, I'd not mind if OSU got leapfrogged, Alabama went undefeated.

Alabama and Boise State in the National Championship game. It'd get good ratings due to the underdog effect. Alabama would destroy Boise State like they've never been destroyed before.

Crush destroyed. We can then all go back to how it used to be.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Personally, after all these years of listening to the Boise State swooning, I'd not mind if OSU got leapfrogged, Alabama went undefeated.

Alabama and Boise State in the National Championship game. It'd get good ratings due to the underdog effect. Alabama would destroy Boise State like they've never been destroyed before.

Crush destroyed. We can then all go back to how it used to be.

Shoot, let's do it another way-
Bama destroys the Phil Knights
Ohio State beats Southern Idaho University.

All is right with the world.