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We Can Move Up To 3rd In All-Time Winning Percentages This Year!

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ktffan said:
Official is official. Nothing more, nothing less.
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ktffan said:
That's what's official and that's what the NCAA and new organizations use. I don't see the point in pretending something else is "actually" the truth.
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Enough wordsmithing. You equate "official" to "truthful". Whatever bro. As was the first time we had this discussion, I'm not too far away from your point of view ... I'd just like to be intellectually honest about how I arrive at my opinion. The rest you can research on your own ... although it's obvious you will only trust what you see from the NCAA.
 
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Does anyone else see the irony that ktffan is trying to tell a bunch of OSU fans that they have 7 national championships and not 5, and the OSU fans are arguing back that they don't want the other 2 ... they just want the 5? :crazy:

Some of you guys need to take a lesson from a good 'ole Alabama fan like Donny and just take credit for every title someone wants to give you. :wink2:
 
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ktffan said:
I equate official to being official. "Truthful" does not matter to me. You've got to have SOME standard, and I'll go by the NCAA and it's members.
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it sure seems to matter when attacking the credibility of the 'ad hoc' sites. Personally, I'm not sticking up for stassen here at all, I just don't understand what makes official ncaa records (with their own questionable portions) any more useful than the ad hoc records if both are done in a professional manner.
 
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ktffan said:
I equate official to being official. "Truthful" does not matter to me. You've got to have SOME standard, and I'll go by the NCAA and it's members.
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Fine. That's not what you said, but I'll just accept your last statement on the subject. It's quite a relief that the "SOME standard" you've chosen to go by doesn't need truth to matter :) Explains a lot.
 
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ktffan said:
I equate official to being official. "Truthful" does not matter to me. You've got to have SOME standard, and I'll go by the NCAA and it's members.
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In the quote above you talked about official and truthful in the same context. Nobody is falling for your game.

Bottom line: You eat up everything from the NCAA as truth, Others eat up stassen as truth.

Guess what. Nobody is right. End of discussion.
 
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jwinslow said:
it sure seems to matter when attacking the credibility of the 'ad hoc' sites. Personally, I'm not sticking up for stassen here at all, I just don't understand what makes official ncaa records (with their own questionable portions) any more useful than the ad hoc records if both are done in a professional manner.
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Frankly, 'ad hoc' sites make more mistakes (understandably) and put their own personal opinion into it. While the NCAA's methods of record keeping can be said to be their opinion, it's still the opinion of the official organization.
 
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The Texas Tech forfeits were not mandated by the NCAA. No specific games were mentioned, none were forfeited and the NCAA didn't force the forfeits.
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Please look at the NCAA press release regarding these infractions (link below). The penalty section includes forfeits in all sporting events where inelligible players were used, and a table follows listing all the sports/years affected.

http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/1998/1998080401in.htm

The NCAA does force teams to forfeit, but they fail to track them in the records section.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
In the quote above you talked about official and truthful in the same context. Nobody is falling for your game.

Bottom line: You eat up everything from the NCAA as truth, Others eat up stassen as truth.

Guess what. Nobody is right. End of discussion.
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Maybe there's a misunderstanding. As was pointed out and I really saw no point in repeat was that nobody will ever know that "truth" of it all. Too many lost records and disputes to do that. However, if you are going to measure these things you HAVE to start somewhere. So what are we going to call "true", right or not? In my case, I'm going with what the NCAA has.
 
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xrayrandy said:
Please look at the NCAA press release regarding these infractions (link below). The penalty section includes forfeits in all sporting events where inelligible players were used, and a table follows listing all the sports/years affected.

http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/1998/1998080401in.htm

The NCAA does force teams to forfeit, but they fail to track them in the records section.
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You notice the NCAA doesn't list any games. In other cases the do. So which games are "forfeited"? None are listed, none got forfeited.
 
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ktffan said:
Maybe there's a misunderstanding. As was pointed out and I really saw no point in repeat was that nobody will ever know that "truth" of it all. Too many lost records and disputes to do that. However, if you are going to measure these things you HAVE to start somewhere. So what are we going to call "true", right or not? In my case, I'm going with what the NCAA has.
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Gee, really? You hadn't made that point. :roll2:

The point everybody is trying to pound into your head is that using the NCAA or using Stassen isn't the more correct or less correct method. It's just a method.

Moo
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xrayrandy said:
Interestingly enough tOSU was ahead of Texas after the 2002 season. I don't think you'll catch Texas until well after Mack Brown leaves.
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We'll see. You said yourself that Texas passed OSU these past couple of years and one those was a down year for us and every team has those. I think we'll make up some ground this year but I don't expect to pass you guys within the next 5 years.
 
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