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Was Jordan just as bad of a teammate as Kobe?

BuckWrestler141

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Not to further try and defend Kobe but I found this on another board and thought it was interesting:


THE QUOTES:

"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box

"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

"Give me the ******* ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."


"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue

"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"

"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)
 
I'm sure you could find quotes similar to that from every player.

I don't fault Kobe for telling the truth. I fault him for driving Shaq out of town. Like it or not, if he tells Buss that Shaq needs to stay, then he'd be there still .
 
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Brutus1;869559; said:
if he tells Buss that Shaq needs to stay, then he'd be there still .

Very possibly. But not standing up for keeping a guy is way different than "driving him out of town".

Shaq was overweight and an injury waiting to happen his final days with LA. Only after he took some of the excess weight off and got the fire lit under him again (motivated by the whole Kobe / Laker thing) was he in shape and injury free long enough to get another title in Miami.

I think had he stayed in LA and gotten a new deal he'd just ended up being a 20 million dollar bench warmer due to constant injury. Maybe it would have still been enough to get one more ring in LA, maybe not...but I'm inclined to think not.
 
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osugrad21;869562; said:
What is the source for the quotes? Were they in the newspaper? An autobiography? Overheard at practice?

Some of that stuff seems to be "garnished" for a reaction...

To be honest i'm not sure. I just found it on realgm: chicago bulls message board, and nobody in 4 pages seemed to be argueing the validity of the quotes. I'm guessing they were mostly newspaper quotes.
 
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BuckeyePride;869635; said:
Even after Bulls were separated no one said this type of stuff about Jordan.

Will Purdue was saying a lot of those things about Jordan on the Dan Patrick show just this week...saying he was a real a-hole in practice...specifically mentioned the incident with him setting picks and Jordan slapping him in the face.

He said it was all fueled by his unquestioned desire to win, but that Jordan was not a 'play nice and show respect for your peers' kind of guy.
 
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how about all those times he was betting on NBA teams. The NBA smashed that faster then heck because, he was the NBA's hero .He was even interviewed about that and his remark was ( just having fun).:(
Pete rose's cousin but, covered up.
 
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TRON;870003; said:
MJ made everyone around him better, and like fly just said, cant be too bad of a teammate with 6 rings.
Agreed 100%. Jordan has the rings and he may not of been a nice guy in practice but there is no doubt he made his teamates better during games. Hell there is a million stories of Jordan doing this kind of stuff in practices with the Dream Teams that he was on for the olympics but every one of those guys say that he was the greatest ever and made everyone on the team better from his will to win.
 
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