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Just considering joining Vonage myself now with the move to Indy. Has anyone had any more experiences since the advent of this thread? How's it working for you LoKh?

I have heard that you can have multiple home phone numbers in different area codes that ring to your house through Vonage. Does anyone know if this is true. I have family all around the U.S. so that would be a great way to cut long distance calls.

I work on projects with 911 response groups and there have been some good improvements there. I plan on dumping my Nextel phones and jumping to either Cingular or Verizon for cell phones.
 
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buckeyebri said:
Just considering joining Vonage myself now with the move to Indy. Has anyone had any more experiences since the advent of this thread? How's it working for you LoKh?

I don't have it yet. The deal on the house we were building fell through so all our moving plans have been put on hold... that includes Vonage (or similar service). Sorry I can't be more help.
 
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It's actually working out for the best that it happened. They're building like crazy here too but the problem is that regular people are being priced out of the market. New houses in Sarasota start at 375K to 400K... and that's for nothing special, just 1500 to 2000 square foot. I spent a few weeks in Indy a few years ago and liked it. I was in Carmel and Avon and have several freinds that live in Ft. Wayne. As long as my family is here we'll be in Florida... I want our kids to be around my parents as much as possible... plus no more winter :)
 
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I heard the other day that the housing market in Florida was crazy. If I understand it correctly, people are putting options on houses and then selling the options. That is just plain crazy.

We bought in the Geist area. It seems to be pretty nice. Avon is really growing, our company has an office there. Carmel seems to be nice with the growth pushing to the north of it in Fishers and Noblesville.

For the record, what they call winter in Indy doesn't classify as winter to me after twenty years in TSUN.
 
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I have a 4 lines going into my main house. I have vonage on 3 of the four.

I also have a monitored security system. Although I could use Vonage for it, and actually did for a month by accident, I prefere to use it to the Bell South Line. As noted, the quality is very good. Most people really can't tell the difference. The price and features are good also. It's fun to get an email when you have a voice message then be able to listen to it on your computer or treo device. (I know, just call the voicemail service)

The 911 service issue will be resolved very soon as congress has mandated 911 service for VOIP. Right now it does work, you just need to register and let them know the physical location of the box. This step will go away, but in reality, its not a big deal to give them an address.

Another cool feature is you can take it with you. If you go on a trip, just plug it in and people will never think you are gone! I have tried in in Hotels with Broadband, with no problems at all.

I am also beta testing a wi-fi phone they sent me. Its fun, in that it works anywhere you can get on a wireless network.

If you order it, do not get it directly through Vonage. Right now at CompUSA and Buy.com you can purchase the linksys box for $50, and get a $50 - $70 rebate. Plus when you register it, you don't pay any additional fees. When you order through Vonage, you pay for activation, the box, a month in advance and more.

If you decide to try it out send me a PM and I can give you a code for one month free.
 
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HH, I was just going to bring up the wifi phone they ahve, essentially as hot spots start to pop up everywhere it *could* become a Cell Phone.... pretty sweet to me... I know some cities (wasn't the biggest Philly?) have announced plans to have full wifi coverage fairly soon..

Anyways, Vonage is the best one out there from what I have heard... add to that they are a HUGE client to my company :)
 
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Has anybody tried using Skype?

Skype website

File-Sharing Pioneer Turns to Free Internet Calling

By Jonathan Krim
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 4, 2005; Page A01

TORONTO -- About 70 miles from the U.S. border that he will not cross, Niklas Zennstrom is pondering which gets him more excited: making life miserable for entrenched monopoly businesses or making money doing it.

The answer is both, and two of the world's largest industries haven't been the same since he went to work. Neither has the Internet.

In co-creating the file-sharing software Kazaa in 2000, Zennstrom helped fuel an online revolution that music labels and motion picture studios say threatens their existence. Sued by the entertainment industry even though he sold Kazaa in 2002, Zennstrom avoids the United States as his lawyers seek to remove him from the case.

Now, the 39-year-old Swede, whom few consumers have ever heard of, is aiming the same technology at something even bigger: telephone calls.

Skype Technologies SA, Zennstrom's newest venture, allows users of its software to talk to each other, via their computers, for free. That's free, as in no cost for either the software or the calls, anywhere in the world. And with none of the legal issues that surround sharing of music or videos online.

In just 18 months, Skype has become a global telephone firm with 40 million users, making it not just the fastest-growing telecommunications company in the world but one of the fastest-growing businesses of any kind.

By contrast, other voice-over-Internet providers, which charge a monthly fee and use different technology, have fewer than 3 million customers combined. Skype is acquiring as many new customers in a week as the best known voice-over-Internet company, Vonage Holdings Corp., has in total.

Zennstrom has done this by circumventing telephone wires and making the phone call just another computer task, the equivalent of sending an e-mail or conducting an Internet search. All that is required is a high-speed Internet connection, Skype's software, and a microphone or special handset for speaking.

"Skype is a huge threat to most incumbent phone companies," said Kevin Werbach, a law professor at the Wharton School and a telecommunications consultant. "The only reason they haven't trained their guns on it is they don't realize that yet."

Some in the industry argue that the cost of a basic phone call is on a path toward zero.

"In the next 10 years, I cannot imagine a telecommunications company that will be able to charge for telephone calls," said Howard Hartenbaum, a venture capitalist whose Silicon Valley firm is backing Skype.

But Skype has limits, and some experts argue that big, traditional players such as Verizon Communications Inc. and SBC Communications Inc. still have a number of advantages.

"Skype is a good company," said independent telecom analyst and commentator Jeff Kagan. "But Skype is never going to catch up to the major service providers," the large telephone and cable companies that increasingly are offering bundles of services, including local and long-distance calling, wireless, high-speed Internet access and digital television.

Zennstrom, who seems to relish being underestimated, is neither a stereotypical underground hacker nor a nerdy geek. Bespectacled and soft-spoken, he looks every bit the preppy, mid-level executive. He believes in capitalism and is motivated to disrupt markets that operate inefficiently.

"There's a duty," he said between appearances at a recent industry conference in Canada on Internet telephony. "You should not allow big monopolies to be inefficient. . . . If you buy services from a big monopoly that doesn't care about consumers and overcharges you, most people get really upset about that."

His strategy is to use new technology to fight entrenched companies that are too big to react quickly. "Not only is it great fun," he said, "it creates huge business opportunities."

Zennstrom's gift, say those who have followed his career, is his ability to pinpoint the industries most vulnerable to attack.

"Zennstrom is the regime changer," said Timothy Wu, a visiting technology law professor at the University of Chicago. "He makes happen what economists predict would happen" when technology overtakes existing business models.

The Big Efficiency idea underlying Skype and Kazaa struck Zennstrom and his longtime business partner, Janus Friis, when they worked together in the mid-1990s at Sweden's Tele2, the first independent phone company in Europe to take on state-sanctioned monopoly carriers.

Wouldn't it make sense, they reasoned, to allow computers to share information directly with each other rather than routing traffic through centralized networks and equipment?

Watching the music world get turned upside down by the Napster file-sharing service, which still relied on some centralized components, Zennstrom and Friis worked with some Estonian programmers to build a purer, more powerful computer-to-computer system known as "peer-to-peer."

Zennstrom said his goal was not to replace Napster, which was under legal siege and ultimately shut down for facilitating the pirating of copyrighted music.

Instead, he wanted the studios to use his more efficient system to legally put music into the hands of consumers via a payment method that would be negotiated.

Zennstrom said the music studios he visited in Los Angeles, which he declined to name, refused to consider it. A spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America declined to comment on Zennstrom.

When legal troubles shut down Napster, enthusiasts turned to Kazaa as a way to keep swapping files that was harder for authorities to disrupt because it was so decentralized. By 2001, Kazaa and similar software proved so effective for moving large files (legal or otherwise) that the technology soon accounted for the majority of all Internet traffic.

Although Kazaa withstood early legal challenges, continued battles loomed. Zennstrom did not like the idea of a life spent negotiating music and movie rights agreements, so he sold Kazaa to Sharman Networks Ltd., a firm run by Australians and incorporated in the South Pacific island nation of Vanuatu. After taking some time off, he and Friis began talking about aiming their insight about efficient networks at another big industry: telecommunications.

Today, he just smiles at questions about how Skype will make money on a strategy of giving away basic calling for free.

Yahoo and Google, he notes, never charged for someone to conduct a search. Instead, the rapid adoption of search technology by so many people made the companies hugely valuable and opened the door to moneymaking, add-on services.

So the company offers Skype Out, which charges small toll fees for Skype users to call non-Skype users around the world, at rates below traditional long-distance rates. Already, the service has about 1.5 million users, though the company declines to reveal how much money it is bringing in.

The company also is letting users sign up and test-drive Skype In, which for a fee lets non-users call Skype users and provides voice mail.

Skype backers such as longtime venture capitalists William H. Draper III and his son, Timothy C. Draper, contend that the key to Skype's success is its ability to provide services at vastly lower cost than competitors.

With no networks, lines and poles to maintain, London-based Skype operates with 171 employees worldwide yet has nearly as many users as Verizon has residential phone customers. Verizon's land-line division employs 142,000 people.

Zennstrom is plotting pushing Skype into mobile phones, and he already has cut a deal with handset-maker Motorola Inc.

As long as the mobile phone can connect wirelessly with the home computer, as many now can, Skype users can walk around their homes and talk, rather than be chained to the computer desks.

About 30 percent of Skype's users are businesses, Zennstrom said, and the company is developing a pricing plan for large corporate customers.

As for the next big industry ripe for an attack? Zennstrom just smiles again.

Skype
 
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Alan, I will send you the code. You can transfer any (cell, house, centrex) number. It takes about 20 days and they give you a virtual number, meaning when you call some one it shows you are calling from the correct number, but they have to call you back on temp. number while the switch is taking place.

I am using the wi-fi phone more and more, I had it in the Ft. Lauderdale airport today and it worked!
 
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I have exhumed this thread because I just got Vonage tonight. I figured it was worth it, since the equipement (Linksys) was free after rebate. Actually, I'm netting about $5 income after the rebate, since I work for RadioShack and I got a nominal employee discount. I've tried it out a little, and it seems OK. I got cheap plan (500 mins. for $15.) I don't really use the phone too much, so I'll see how this works out. If it turns out I need more minutes, I'll just bump up to the unlimited plan, which is $25. (I get it for $20 on the employee plan, if I choose to bump up to that one, but I figured I'd save the $5 by going with the cheap plan for now.)
 
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I had Vonage for about 6 months and then due to my wife's business had to get an Analog phone line so I wanted to cancel our Vonage lines.

Called there 3 times, WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE!!!
The first time I called I had about 20 minutes before I had to go to an appointment. The Vonage Rep just talked for 20 minutes straight "I understand that you want to cancel but........"
Called back angry later on and was hung up on after the same garbage.

So I reread the terms of agreement and called back again and spent 45 minutes on the phone. It was like those bad AOL calls people used to post online "I know you want to cancel but I want to understand why you want to cancel" finally talked to a "manager" who was a complete fuckin asshole and she said she was charging me $86 dollars to cancel my lines, which was not in the terms of service. Then she canceled the lines and tried to draw the money from our account without my consent. She yelled that since she told me about the charge I consented to it. Those sluts are getting none of my money!!!! FUCK VONAGE!!!!!
 
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