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USC Transfers (Merged)

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There is a semi-interesting story brewing out west that presents a good time to discuss the issue of transfers and how much poaching goes on in college football. Three USC players (QB Rocky Hinds, RB Chauncey Washington, and CB Eric Wright) have, for one reason or another, been considering transferring from USC. Trojan fans have noted over the last several weeks that UNLV kept coming up in articles discussing the possible transfers. It seemed like all three players were headed to UNLV.

Now it seems that USC feels that UNLV has been poaching players. USC has granted release to all three, except that Hinds and Wright are not released to go to UNLV. Washington was given a full release, but is leaning toward staying at USC. The local paper here has reported that Hinds has actually been in contact with UNLV, which would be a NCAA violation if true.

Here's the article:

USC won't grant releases
Hinds, Wright denied transfers to UNLV, can appeal
By Scott Wolf, Staff Writer

USC has refused to grant quarterback Rocky Hinds a release to transfer to UNLV or any Pacific-10 Conference school. Hinds decided to leave USC earlier this month and was expected to transfer to UNLV. The Daily News reported last month that Hinds was already in contact with UNLV before obtaining his release, which would be a violation of NCAA rules.

Athletes are not allowed to speak to other schools until they obtain an official release from their current university. USC coach Pete Carroll declined comment Tuesday but has spoken in the past about the importance of schools following transfer rules.

Any irritation with UNLV apparently is not limited to Hinds. According to sources, USC also has forbade former cornerback Eric Wright from transferring to UNLV.<!-- cdaFreeFormDetailByName.strSQL = FreeForm_GetTextBySectionIDPaperID @Name = 'ArticleAd', @PaperID = '200', @SectionID = '28543', @ArticleID = '2932350', @Filter = 'Section', @LiveFilter = '1', @DateTimeContext = '6/22/2005 5:42:21 AM' --> <!-- ArticleAd not found -->

Although USC denied releases to UNLV, Hinds and Wright can appeal the decision. Under NCAA rules, Hinds or Wright can ask for a hearing before a USC committee not connected to the athletic department. If they lose the hearing, they could still attend UNLV but would have to pay their own expenses for one year.

Neither Hinds nor Wright could be reached for comment Tuesday.

Meanwhile, cornerback Mozique McCurtis of Grossmont College was officially admitted to USC and will join the Trojans in training camp in August.

Scott Wolf, (818) 713-3607 [email protected]
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Daily News article
 
I think atheletes should be allowed to transfer at anytime to any school they want, as long as they are admitted to that school. Its ridiculous that coaches can leave whenever they want, but the athletes have to beg their permission.
 
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UNLV was quick to take JaJa Riley from us when he left... Don't know if JaJa wound up starting or not. This year would he his fifth year so he's probably still on the team...

I think kids should be allowed to leave as well... I do like the 1 year rule. That helps to control the situation from getting out of wack. I agree that other NCAA schools shouldn't be allowed to recruit other players until the kids has asked for his transfer (or you'd have the major schools picking up the "studs" from the lower tier schools).

I think coaches should be forced into the same situation. If you leave and go to another school with time left on your contract, you should be forced to sit out a year... if the kids have to, the coaches should as well. I think assitant coaches have year over year contracts so they would be ok as long as they didn't leave halfway through the year...

Edit: I also think if a school gets in trouble and the head coach was involved with the incident the penalty should be two fold. The school and coach are subject to the same penalty. If the coach leaves, his new school would also be subject to the penalty...
 
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gbearbuck said:
UNLV was quick to take JaJa Riley from us when he left... Don't know if JaJa wound up starting or not. This year would he his fifth year so he's probably still on the team...
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He's still on their roster. Here's the blurb CFBNews had on him in their UNLV preview a few weeks ago:

JaJa Riley, Sr. - The former Ohio State transfer hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to really show what he can do. At 6-2 and 210 pounds, he's a big back the offense could use rushing for 89 yards averaging 4.7 yards per carry last year before getting hurt.
 
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Carroll halts USC transfers?

At what point does this start proving a trend about pete and/or USC? I'm still really upset about Fred Davis... not even as much b/c he could have been a buckeye, but b/c he was not allowed to look around despite being unhappy at USC.

Were there other blockaded transfer attempts?
Wright wins appeal: Former USC cornerback Eric Wright won a university appeal and is free to transfer to school he likes. USC refused to release Wright from his scholarship so he could transfer to Nebraska or a Pac-10 school as a standard procedure to avoid facing Wright in a future game.

The Trojans denied releasing Wright to UNLV because of lingering bitterness over improper contact between quarterback Rocky Hinds and the Rebels before Hinds officially transferred.

A USC committee ruled Wright is free to transfer to any school.
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Never officially documented, but Fred Davis was definitely interested in returning to Columbus, but Carroll refused to let him talk to our staff... and Tressel followed the rules and Davis was never an option. Who knows if JT would have taken him, but that was yet another time where Sneaky Pete seems to be quite unattractive from the outside looking in. BTW, the above intel was gathered from bits and pieces from Nevada
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I'm not exactly sure what the NCAA rules are pertaining to these type of situations but this is not the first nor the last time we will hear Pete Carroll's name mentioned in this fashion, it has been happening for quite some time.

Does this only happen at USC? No, but with USC in the spotlight constantly these occurrences are going to be picked up by the media.

Should players be able to transfer just like that? Yes I think they should but as I said I'm a little fuzzy on the NCAA rules and regulations pertaining to these events.

At least we don't hear anything about tOSU players wanting to leave and JT stopping them...JT only wants players who are committed to the team and wouldn't stand for less!
 
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There is always more to the story than what one side tells... but from everything Nevada and others hinted at, I don't buy that Carroll has just been following procedure in his stingy approach to transfers.
 
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As to the UNLV situation, UNLV (according to a news report) made improper contact with Rocky Hinds before Hinds asked for his release from USC. After that, both Hinds, Chauncey Washington, and Eric Wright listed UNLV as one of the (and often the top) schools they were interested in transfering to. Carroll can't sit by and let some school poach his players.

As to this alleged Fred Davis situation, I don't even see how you would think it would be cool for JT to be allowed to talk with FD. Why should USC let tOSU try to recruit away a player that is on scholarship?
 
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the point is that if fred was miserable, how is he supposed to explore playing for another school?

like I said earlier, there are always two sides to teh story, but from the rumblings we heard about Fred who was highly interested in transferring (I didn't say he had made up his mind)... it doesn't sound very gracious on PC's part.
 
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I guarantee you that if an NFL team that sneaky pete was interested in, asked to speak with him, he would be allowed without having to quit first. That's the only thing I don't like about these types of situations. Coaches can come and go as they please yet the kids are stuck if the school says so. Of course that's not just at USC, but everywhere.
 
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Good call grad. Can someone school me on what has to happen for a player to transfer? Does getting a release mean you leave your current school for good, and hope someone else has room for you? Seems like a vicious system, but I guess transfers in general are probably something that need to be kept to a minimum.
 
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jwinslow said:
Good call grad. Can someone school me on what has to happen for a player to transfer? Does getting a release mean you leave your current school for good, and hope someone else has room for you? Seems like a vicious system, but I guess transfers in general are probably something that need to be kept to a minimum.
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Schools can NEVER initiate contact with a player about transferring. Once the player finds out if the school is interested, he asks for a release from his schollie and is then free to transfer to another school with the appropriate sitting penalties depending on what level he transferred into.
 
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