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UCPD officers taser ucla student

methomps

an imbecility, a stupidity without name
Here is a link to the video of the incident (probably NSFW). Although this isn't LAPD, it can't help them in light of their recent bad press.

A third incident, a new video

A cellphone camera captures UCLA police using a Taser on a student who allegedly refused to leave the library Tuesday night.
By Amanda Covarrubias and Stuart Silverstein
Times Staff Writers

November 16, 2006

The latest in a recent spate of cellphone videos documenting questionable arrest tactics surfaced Wednesday, this one showing a UCLA police officer using a Taser to stun a student who allegedly refused to leave the campus library.

Grainy video of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library was broadcast Wednesday on TV news and the Internet, prompting a review of the officers' actions and outrage among students at the Westwood campus.

The footage showed the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, falling to the ground and crying out in pain as officers stunned him.

According to a campus police report, the incident began when community service officers, who serve as guards at the library, began their nightly routine of checking to make sure everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there.

For the Record: In a earlier version of this article, a quote from Mostafa Tabatabainejad read: "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your use of power." The corrected quote reads " "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ... abuse of power."

Campus officials said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.

When Tabatabainejad, 23, refused to provide his ID to the community service officer, the officer told him he would have to show it or leave the library, the report said.

After repeated requests, the officer left and returned with campus police, who asked Tabatabainejad to leave "multiple times," according to a statement by the UCLA Police Department.

"He continued to refuse," the statement said. "As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building."

Witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack. When an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, the witnesses said, Tabatabainejad told the officer to let go, yelling "Get off me" several times.

"Tabatabainejad encouraged library patrons to join his resistance," police said. "The officers deemed it necessary to use the Taser."

Officers stunned Tabatabainejad, causing him to fall to the floor.

The video shows Tabatabainejad yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ... abuse of power," the Daily Bruin reported, adding he used a profanity.

"It was beyond grotesque," said UCLA graduate David Remesnitsky of Los Angeles, who witnessed the incident. "By the end they took him over the stairs, lifted him up and Tasered him on his rear end. It seemed like it was inappropriately placed. The Tasering was so unnecessary and they just kept doing it."

Campus police confirmed that Tabatabainejad was stunned "multiple" times.

By then, Remesnitsky said, a crowd of 50 or 60 had gathered and were shouting at the officers to stop and demanding their names and badge numbers.

Remesnitsky said officers told him to leave or he would be Tasered.

Tabatabainejad declined to comment. He was arrested Tuesday night and cited by campus police for resisting and obstructing a police officer and was released.

The incident was the third videotape of an arrest to surface in the last week in Los Angeles.

One video showed a Los Angeles Police Department officer dousing a handcuffed suspect in the face with pepper spray as the suspect sat in a patrol car.

That video came to light Monday, just days after the LAPD and the FBI launched investigations into another videotape showing a police officer hitting a suspect in the face several times after a foot chase in Hollywood.

UCLA Assistant Police Chief Jeff Young said Wednesday that he had viewed the video of the campus incident on the Internet and would view any other videos that were shot.

"We will gather as many samples as we can find, from different sources," Young said. "We'll use it for our own administrative investigation."

UCLA Acting Chancellor Norman Abrams said in a statement that university police are investigating the incident and the officers' actions.

"The investigation and review will be thorough, vigorous and fair," he said, adding that compliance with the ID policy is "critical for the safety and well-being of everyone."

Young said Tasers, which discharge an electric current to incapacitate a suspect, are seldom used by the campus police department.

On campus Wednesday, many students said they were surprised by news of the incident.

"UCLA is a very peaceful campus," said Chen Mei, a third-year political science student from Laguna Hills. "I study in Powell Library at night all the time. I've seen people without ID cards who are removed. But none of the time has it been this dramatic."

Karen Jou, a second-year student from Orange, said the campus police "usually are really good."

"I wouldn't have thought that would have happened here," she said. "It's really odd."

Julia Newbold, a third-year English literature major from Walnut Creek, said her impression from her limited contact with campus police was good.

"They seem like a peacekeeping force," she said. "I'm really surprised to hear they had to resort to something like that. It sounds a little too forceful to me to Taser someone."
 
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Muck;663764; said:
They should have have served him milk and cookies, rubbed his feet, and if necessary given him a blow job instead.

:roll2:

Or simply carried him out. Tasering a handcuffed suspect multiple times is quite simply wrong absent some extraordinary circumstances (nothing here warranted it).

NFBuck;663768; said:
Apparently the dude was being standoffish with the officials doing a routine security check and then began to create a serious disturbance. Like Muck said, what did he expect?:roll1:

I don't know what he expected, but I expect competent law enforcement.
 
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methomps;663770; said:
Or simply carried him out.

Which would have required a physical confrontation. Wrestling the idiot to the ground and dragging him out of the building would have gone over much better.


Tasering a handcuffed suspect multiple times is quite simply wrong absent some extraordinary circumstances (nothing here warranted it).
Tasering a combative handcuffed suspect is a hell of a lot better than the other options that they have available. People forget that the old recourse was to gently correct them upside the head with a 6 cell mag-lite.


The problem is that most people don't understand what physically removing a resisting human being entails. Vulcan nerve pinches and immobolization through secret Shaolin joint locks don't function reliably in the real world.

Anyone who claims the kid wasn't resisting to the best of his ability is full of shit. No one begins screaming "take your hands off me!" at the top of their lungs without a commensurate physical action meant to achieve said goal.

The kid was fighting them and the cops tasered him so they didn't have to beat the shit out of him. They chose the path that meant the least possibility of physical harm to bystanders, themselves and even idiot kid throwing a temper tantrum. End of story.
 
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Guess what-if you are a douchebag to uniformed officers, they can do a lot of shit to you waaaaaaay outside the Patriot Act. Political defiance can (and should) be actively contained in the courtroom, not the argued in the patrol car. I hope the LAPD dropped this douchebag off on Skid Row.
 
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stxbuck;663849; said:
Guess what-if you are a douchebag to uniformed officers, they can do a lot of shit to you waaaaaaay outside the Patriot Act. Political defiance can (and should) be actively contained in the courtroom, not the argued in the patrol car. I hope the LAPD dropped this douchebag off on Skid Row.

Nah the only people doing that in LA are the ambulance crews before they get to the hospital...
 
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Muck;663845; said:
Which would have required a physical confrontation. Wrestling the idiot to the ground and dragging him out of the building would have gone over much better.

By carry, I meant cuff, wrestle to the ground, and carry/drag him out.


Muck;663845; said:
Tasering a combative handcuffed suspect is a hell of a lot better than the other options that they have available. People forget that the old recourse was to gently correct them upside the head with a 6 cell mag-lite.

Nobody forgets what happened in the old days.


Muck;663845; said:
The problem is that most people don't understand what physically removing a resisting human being entails. Vulcan nerve pinches and immobolization through secret Shaolin joint locks don't function reliably in the real world.


There were at least three cops there. If they couldn't physically remove one student from a library, then that is an indictment of their competence to be police officers.

Muck;663845; said:
Anyone who claims the kid wasn't resisting to the best of his ability is full of shit. No one begins screaming "take your hands off me!" at the top of their lungs without a commensurate physical action meant to achieve said goal.

I don't have a problem with the first use of the taser if the use was reasonable and within guidelines. We don't have video of what happened with that, so I have no problem assuming for now that he was resisting and they were justified in using the taser to subdue him.

My problem is with the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th use of the taser while he was cuffed. The taser isn't meant to compel a subject to obey an order to stand and walk. It's meant to subdue a threat. If he isn't complying with an order to stand and walk, then drag him out.

Muck;663845; said:
The kid was fighting them and the cops tasered him so they didn't have to beat the shit out of him. They chose the path that meant the least possibility of physical harm to bystanders, themselves and even idiot kid throwing a temper tantrum. End of story.


Again, I'm fine with this explanation for the first use of the taser. But yelling "STAND UP OR WE'LL TASER YOU" and yelling "STAND UP" while tasering him does not suggest that their force was motivated by any perceived threat to anybody. It was intended to compel him to stand and walk. That is an inappropriate and nonsensical use of a disabling device.

Also, it doesn't help their case that an officer can be heard at the end of the tape threatening to taser one of the bystanders.
 
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methomps said:
Again, I'm fine with this explanation for the first use of the taser. But yelling "STAND UP OR WE'LL TASER YOU" and yelling "STAND UP" while tasering him does not suggest that their force was motivated by any perceived threat to anybody. It was intended to compel him to stand and walk. That is an inappropriate and nonsensical use of a disabling device.

And that my friends is the logical disconnect in this whole story. The student in question was clearly trying to provoke a face-off, but the resolution adopted by the campus police shows why they likely were not worthy of being on the local Police Force.
 
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methomps;663854; said:
By carry, I meant cuff, wrestle to the ground, and carry/drag him out.
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There were at least three cops there. If they couldn't physically remove one student from a library, then that is an indictment of their competence to be police officers.

I don't have a problem with the first use of the taser if the use was reasonable and within guidelines. We don't have video of what happened with that, so I have no problem assuming for now that he was resisting and they were justified in using the taser to subdue him.

My problem is with the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th use of the taser while he was cuffed. The taser isn't meant to compel a subject to obey an order to stand and walk. It's meant to subdue a threat. If he isn't complying with an order to stand and walk, then drag him out.

Again, I'm fine with this explanation for the first use of the taser. But yelling "STAND UP OR WE'LL TASER YOU" and yelling "STAND UP" while tasering him does not suggest that their force was motivated by any perceived threat to anybody. It was intended to compel him to stand and walk. That is an inappropriate and nonsensical use of a disabling device.

Also, it doesn't help their case that an officer can be heard at the end of the tape threatening to taser one of the bystanders.


I really don't have the time to go into detail, however I have been in the position where it was my job to physically remove uncooperative people. I can say this, he was very, very lucky I wasn't one of the officers there. My analysis of how they handled the situation is that they were too concerned with not seriously hurting the individual. I never have been so concerned that way. I probably would have fucked the guy up pretty bad. Welcome to the real world ladies.
 
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