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Tulsa Golden Hurricane at tOSU, Sep 18, 3:30 ET on FS1

After the first two games I was pretty convinced Stroud was the guy. He had his freshman moments, but overall he made some big plays. Today he just looked bad against a bad team. We keep hearing about his shoulder and maybe that’s the problem. If it is and it doesn’t get better, they need to “next man up”, because he held the offense back quite a bit today. We’ve seen flashes of what he’s capable of, but if he’s limited because of his shoulder, he shouldn’t be out there. Miller and McCord were both highly regarded recruits, I have to think one of them could do better. I’m not mentioning Ewers because he should still be in HS right now.
Not to mention that what if his shoulder gets worse? It's obvious that this was the reason they held CJ out of practice in the fall too. Akron is the perfect game for McCord to play if CJ isn't healthy. I know CJ thinks he needs to be tough but you don't do that when it's your throwing shoulder. He needs to be honest with the staff if he's not good to go.

So far though CJ has more than 1 turnover in every game this season on average and that can't be. Even as a year 1 starter Justin threw 3 INTs in 14 games. CJ has 3 ints in 3 games and also had a fumble today. A sub 60% completion percentage and a turnover in every game is not great...
 
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Just finished watching the game finally. So much to unpack, but my top 3 comments are: 1. Henderson is special...we all know it but can't not say it with comment #1. 2. Why did Miyan not even get on the field? 3. Those two broadcasters were quite possibly the worst I've ever heard...and there have been some bad ones. Seriously, the commentary guy was worthless and at times sounded absolutely clueless.
 
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Just finished watching the game finally. So much to unpack, but my top 3 comments are: 1. Henderson is special...we all know it but can't not say it with comment #1. 2. Why did Miyan not even get on the field? 3. Those two broadcasters were quite possibly the worst I've ever heard...and there have been some bad ones. Seriously, the commentary guy was worthless and at times sounded absolutely clueless.
One f the guys played at Oklahoma and was onviously routing for Tulsa... When ohio state started stoping them this isn't the real Tulsa team out there they've had soooo many injuries....
 
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Just finished watching the game finally. So much to unpack, but my top 3 comments are: 1. Henderson is special...we all know it but can't not say it with comment #1. 2. Why did Miyan not even get on the field? 3. Those two broadcasters were quite possibly the worst I've ever heard...and there have been some bad ones. Seriously, the commentary guy was worthless and at times sounded absolutely clueless.
Yeah no idea what happened with Miyan. Imo he didn't deserve to be benched and also replaced with Master. Coaches must have not liked something from last week.

My overall observations...
1. Henderson is unreal but Miyan should've got a little run at least.
2. CJ doesn't look healthy and so far he's turned the ball over in every game. He's got to figure the game out a bit or we should see what Kyle can do. I'm afraid it'll cost us another game if he's not healthy.
3. Defensive line pressure is so disappointing. Just nothing else to mention there.
4. It's a mistake to play Stover/Rossi over Gee Scott Jr and the other WRs like 12/18/4. Stover and Rossi are not better players and their added blocking doesn't help. Wouldn't need to block an extra player in the box if we forced a team out of the box with another skill player.
5. We finally have a decent kicker at least?
6. Where was Olave today?
7. Just overall something feels way off with the program and I dont like it. This is two years in a row where we sort of sleep walk to enter a game with literally no energy. We let teams hang around and then we are forced to keep our starters in to get the job done. IMO Day has to figure out what the issue is here. Everything just seems off and it bothers me.

Edited: hold up... we gave up 430 yards passing? WHAT THE FUCK.
 
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Tulsa 2021

1. Let's take a trip down memory lane....
Some very abbreviated notes on the Spring Game....

C.J. Stroud
is the presumed starter at QB, but he lacked the "it" factor; however, with the QB run being essentially nonexistent due to the format of the game, Stroud was limited in what he could show. Kyle McCord looked the best of the three, but does Ryan Day really want to start a true freshman?
Apparently, I was one of the few people to notice Stroud's lack of "it-ness" back in the Spring Game, as most everyone disagreed with my assessment. However, it is pretty clear - at least to me - that Stroud isn't going to be the answer at QB. Or at the very least, that he isn't going to be enough of an answer to preclude the dreaded QB competition, which beginning tomorrow should be wide open.

In Week 1 (Minnesota), Stroud looked bad early, then settled down to hit a few wide open receivers for big gains on plays that were well-designed and well-timed by the offensive staff. Stroud threw for 294 yards, but 203 of those yards (a whopping 69%) were after the catch. Not exactly a QB rifling the ball into tight windows.

In Week 2 (Oregon), Stroud threw for a near Buckeye record 484 yards, but when the game was on the line in the fourth quarter, he melted down and couldn't tie the score, much less get Ohio State into the win column. In the first 53 minutes of the game, Stroud had 49 plays (passes or QB runs) for 454 yards of total offense, or 9.3 yards per play, and scored 28 points with no turnovers. In the final 7 minutes of the game, with Ohio State down a touchdown but having plenty of momentum, Stroud had 10 plays for 27 yards of total offense, or 2.7 yards per play, with no points and one turnover.

In Week 3 (Tulsa), Stroud was mediocre from start to finish, completing 15 of 25 passes (60.0%) for just 185 yards (long of just 20 yards), with one TD and one INT. In general, Stroud was inaccurate with his passes and looked slow in his decision making and unsure of himself regardless of whether he was in the pocket or rolling out. This against a Tulsa team that is maybe half a step ahead of a MAC school.

Yes, Stroud is a young quarterback who's learning on the job, but this isn't 2014 where basically the answer at QB was Barrett or Bust (and where Bust ironically turned out to be the better option). Stroud is perhaps the third-most talented QB on the current roster, and Ryan Day eventually will have to give his other two QB candidates (Kyle McCord and Quinn Ewers) a fair shot at the starting job (i.e., not just garbage time against Akron). And Day might not have the luxury of waiting until Spring of 2022 for a full-blown competition, as either McCord or Ewers (or both) might have disappeared into the transfer portal by then. The Tulsa game was Stroud's opportunity to claim the QB position for his own. He didn't do it, and now we have a problem on our hands.

2. More from the Spring Game....
TreVeyon Henderson is so smooth - speed, vision, cutting ability, surprising power, and excellent hands; he's your starting RB before the end of 2021.
In just three games, Henderson has already generated 433 yards from scrimmage on just 41 touches (10.6 average), with 5 touchdowns including huge bursts of 48 yards, 52 yards, and 70 yards. Against Tulsa, Henderson had 24 carries for 277 yards (11.5 average) with 3 TDs; his single-game yardage total ranks third in Ohio State history, behind Trey Sermon (331 yards vs Northwestern in 2020) and Eddie George (314 yards vs Illinois in 1995). When a back is averaging 11.5 yards per carry, he is obviously getting some nice holes from his offensive line, but on his two long TD runs (48 yards and 52 yards), Henderson made some open field moves that were some of the best that I can remember from a Buckeye running back. And if you didn't already know, Henderson is your starting RB for the rest of 2021 (and 2022 and 2023).

3. Master Teague had 14 carries for 62 yards (4.4 average), and will battle Miyan Williams (MIA) for the backup RB role going forward.

4. Nicholas Petit-Frere is clearly the Buckeyes' best OL, and moving him from RT to LT was probably a good decision for the team and for him personally as LTs get the big NFL money. With that being said, I'm not sold on Dawand Jones at RT, as he has too many issues in pass protection. Thayer Munford, who was displaced from LT despite 34 career starts and preseason All American recognition in order to get Dawand Jones into the lineup, has not looked particularly good at LG; Munford was injured in today's game and was replaced by Matthew Jones, who seems a better natural fit at guard. Luke Wypler has been fine in place of an (injured?) Harry Miller. Paris Johnson has generally been good this season, but today he had an untimely hands-to-the-face penalty that negated a 47-yard completion. All things considered, OL is the least of the Buckeyes' worries.

5. As mentioned above, C.J. Stroud completed only 15 passes, and thus the Buckeye WRs were very quiet today. Last week against Oregon, the starting trio of Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba combined for 27 receptions, 388 yards, and 3 TDs; against Tulsa, they had only 8 receptions for 103 yards and 1 TD, with Olave being completely shut out on just four targets (one of which was a very bad drop on his part). The tight ends were more involved than normal, with 4 receptions on 4 targets for 63 yards; Cade Stover and Gee Scott, Jr. each had his first career reception, going for 17 yards and 16 yards, respectively.

6. The Buckeye defense allowed 501 total yards, 25 first downs, and 31:34 time of possession. And that really wasn't the worst of it, as Tulsa was able to convert 10 of 18 (55.6 pct) on 3rd downs, with many of those conversions coming on 3rd-and-long, including 3rd-and-7; 3rd-and-9; 3rd-and-9; 3rd-and-10; 3rd-and-12; and 3rd-and-12 for a 22-yard TD. Quarterback Davis Brin was 31 of 54 for 428 yards and a pair of TDs; his favorite target was WR Josh Johnson, who had 8 receptions for 149 yards and a score.

7. Some good news for the Buckeye defense: After going 7+ quarters without recording a sack, the Buckeyes finally had a pair in the second half of today's game. The first came from reserve DT Antwuan Jackson, who has been very quiet during his four years in Columbus. The second sack was courtesy of true freshman Tyleik Williams, who was very disruptive every time he saw the field; in general, Williams looked like the proverbial SEC defensive tackle - big, fast, relentless, unblockable.

8. Another thought from the Spring Game....
I will make a bold prediction: Jack Sawyer will not start as a true freshman because other guys have "earned" that right, but he will lead the team in sacks. Over/under: 8.5 sacks.
If Sawyer gets 3.5 sacks in 2021, he might lead this team in that category.

9. The Buckeyes also forced a pair of interceptions, with Ronnie Hickman and Cameron Martinez each getting his first pick as a Buckeye. Martinez's interception was of the pick six variety; at 61 yards, it tied for 17th-longest in Buckeye history. In two games against Tulsa, the Buckeyes now have three pick sixes of Golden Hurricane quarterbacks, as both Marshon Lattimore and Malik Hooker accomplished that feat in the 2016 contest.

9. Tommy Eichenberg finally had an impact play, a nice hit on a receiver to break up a pass in the 4th quarter. However, on the very next play, Eichenberg got caught in the wrong gap, was late to fill, and allowed a 24-yard run right up the gut. Things like that cannot continue to happen at Ohio State.

10. Denzel Burke and Cameron Brown seem to have solidified themselves at cornerback, while some combination of Cameron Martinez, Lathan Ransom, and Ronnie Hickman should suffice at safety.

11. The special teams were excellent today. The kick coverage team gave up just 37 yards on 3 returns (12.3 average), with walk-on RB Xavier Johnson recording a pair of tackles. Johnson also had a pair of kick returns for 37 yards, while true freshman Emeka Egbuka had two returns for 53 yards and nearly broke one for a long gain. Jesse Mirco had 3 punts for 133 yards (44.3 average) with all three being downed inside the 20-yard line. Noah Ruggles connected on both FG attempts (43 yards; 44 yards), and seems to be the answer at PK after several years of uncertainty at that position.

12. This was far from a great game, but it was still a win. If the coaching staff is any good at their jobs, then they are using games like this to see who can play and who cannot; in a few weeks, we should have tighter rotations, especially on defense. The main question mark going forward will be at quarterback: can C.J. Stroud lay an unequivocal claim to the starting job, or will we see a mid-season QB controversy in Columbus?
 
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Against Oregon the passing game was decent and the running game sucked. Against Tulsa the running game was outstanding and the passing game sucked. There were defensive issues in both games, however, overall the defense did play a litter better today.

Well, it was a win. Not C.J.'s best game by any means; but fortunately Henderson did have his best game (so far) as a Buckeye.
 
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That was the worst, BY FAR, 3 TD win I have ever seen. The Buckeyes have not fixed defensive issues and the offense took a step back. Did the offensive play calling go more to the run because it was working or because they are losing faith in Stroud? The pass rush AGAIN was non-existent until that big sack in the 4th quarter. I was afraid of a loss with the way they were playing.

Henderson is going to be special.
 
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"I thought all three phases contributed, gave ourselves an opportunity late," said Montgomery of his players' efforts. "We played an exceptional, tight team that's explosive on both sides of the ball."

Montgomery did lament that his roster was dealing with more injuries over the course of the game than what may have been apparent to those watching. "At one point in the second half, we basically had our second offensive line in. I was proud of the way our guys continued to respond."

Despite the setbacks, Montgomery still gave credit to Ohio State for implementing a game plan that differed from what Tulsa expected based on previous film. "They did some things differently today from what we saw on tape. I thought they were much more aggressive."
 
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RYAN DAY
  • Day says it was great to see the defense get the sack late and the Martinez interception. Says there are still things to improve on as well, though.
  • Day says Matt Barnes called the game defensively. "I thought we stopped the run better and I thought we did mix up some of the looks ... I thought we changed some things up structurally." Day says mid-game adjustments were done "much better."
  • Day says when Henderson gets to the second level, he gives the Buckeye offense the chance to hit home runs.
  • "We need to stop with the penalties." Day cites the high volume of "young guys" the Buckeyes are playing right now.
  • On Sevyn Banks: "He's practicing much better ... we'll evaluate the film and go from there."
  • "I'd like to see a little bit more of a pass rush ... we gotta do a better job of making the quarterback uncomfortable."
  • Miyan Williams missed a practice this week because he "wasn't feeling well," and Day says he was riding the hot hand in Henderson today.
  • Day says he's usually not in defensive meetings, but has been this week.
  • On remaining patient with Stroud, Day says "he did miss a couple, for sure." Day says the Chris Olave drop in the second half was regrettable. "He's learning, he's growing, it's his third start."
  • Is Matt Barnes calling the defense a permanent move? "That's kind of the way I see it going forward right now." Day says Larry Johnson is very involved as well.
  • Day says Kerry Coombs "is a professional" when it comes to the decision to let Barnes call the defense.
  • Day says he feels "like I always do, relieved" after the win.
  • Day says today was a step in the right direction, but isn't sure how far a step it was. "Hopefully we can peak as we enter conference play."
  • "I thought they showed toughness today ... overall, pretty good." Day on the defense.
  • On Henderson: "Each running back is different, but he's a guy that can hit home runs. That's special."
  • Day says he hopes to get Zach Harrison back in practice next week.
  • Thayer Munford's injury "doesn't look long term," Day says.
  • "It is exciting when you see a guy like Cam Martinez return a touchdown," Day also cites Denzel Burke when discussing the Buckeyes' freshmen on defense. Says the future is "really, really bright."




 
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That was the worst, BY FAR, 3 TD win I have ever seen. The Buckeyes have not fixed defensive issues and the offense took a step back. Did the offensive play calling go more to the run because it was working or because they are losing faith in Stroud? The pass rush AGAIN was non-existent until that big sack in the 4th quarter. I was afraid of a loss with the way they were playing.

Henderson is going to be special.

I saw the play calling as a message to the offense and team after last week. Maybe it had something to do with Stroud, but Day is saying "We're going to run the ball and then hit you over the top. Give us numbers in the running game and we'll gash you."

It was vanilla at times, but obviously something that they are looking to establish to support the passing game and control the clock as well.
 
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Tulsa 2021

1. Let's take a trip down memory lane....

Apparently, I was one of the few people to notice Stroud's lack of "it-ness" back in the Spring Game, as most everyone disagreed with my assessment. However, it is pretty clear - at least to me - that Stroud isn't going to be the answer at QB. Or at the very least, that he isn't going to be enough of an answer to preclude the dreaded QB competition, which beginning tomorrow should be wide open.

In Week 1 (Minnesota), Stroud looked bad early, then settled down to hit a few wide open receivers for big gains on plays that were well-designed and well-timed by the offensive staff. Stroud threw for 294 yards, but 203 of those yards (a whopping 69%) were after the catch. Not exactly a QB rifling the ball into tight windows.

In Week 2 (Oregon), Stroud threw for a near Buckeye record 484 yards, but when the game was on the line in the fourth quarter, he melted down and couldn't tie the score, much less get Ohio State into the win column. In the first 53 minutes of the game, Stroud had 49 plays (passes or QB runs) for 454 yards of total offense, or 9.3 yards per play, and scored 28 points with no turnovers. In the final 7 minutes of the game, with Ohio State down a touchdown but having plenty of momentum, Stroud had 10 plays for 27 yards of total offense, or 2.7 yards per play, with no points and one turnover.

In Week 3 (Tulsa), Stroud was mediocre from start to finish, completing 15 of 25 passes (60.0%) for just 185 yards (long of just 20 yards), with one TD and one INT. In general, Stroud was inaccurate with his passes and looked slow in his decision making and unsure of himself regardless of whether he was in the pocket or rolling out. This against a Tulsa team that is maybe half a step ahead of a MAC school.

Yes, Stroud is a young quarterback who's learning on the job, but this isn't 2014 where basically the answer at QB was Barrett or Bust (and where Bust ironically turned out to be the better option). Stroud is perhaps the third-most talented QB on the current roster, and Ryan Day eventually will have to give his other two QB candidates (Kyle McCord and Quinn Ewers) a fair shot at the starting job (i.e., not just garbage time against Akron). And Day might not have the luxury of waiting until Spring of 2022 for a full-blown competition, as either McCord or Ewers (or both) might have disappeared into the transfer portal by then. The Tulsa game was Stroud's opportunity to claim the QB position for his own. He didn't do it, and now we have a problem on our hands.

2. More from the Spring Game....

In just three games, Henderson has already generated 433 yards from scrimmage on just 41 touches (10.6 average), with 5 touchdowns including huge bursts of 48 yards, 52 yards, and 70 yards. Against Tulsa, Henderson had 24 carries for 277 yards (11.5 average) with 3 TDs; his single-game yardage total ranks third in Ohio State history, behind Trey Sermon (331 yards vs Northwestern in 2020) and Eddie George (314 yards vs Illinois in 1995). When a back is averaging 11.5 yards per carry, he is obviously getting some nice holes from his offensive line, but on his two long TD runs (48 yards and 52 yards), Henderson made some open field moves that were some of the best that I can remember from a Buckeye running back. And if you didn't already know, Henderson is your starting RB for the rest of 2021 (and 2022 and 2023).

3. Master Teague had 14 carries for 62 yards (4.4 average), and will battle Miyan Williams (MIA) for the backup RB role going forward.

4. Nicholas Petit-Frere is clearly the Buckeyes' best OL, and moving him from RT to LT was probably a good decision for the team and for him personally as LTs get the big NFL money. With that being said, I'm not sold on Dawand Jones at RT, as he has too many issues in pass protection. Thayer Munford, who was displaced from LT despite 34 career starts and preseason All American recognition in order to get Dawand Jones into the lineup, has not looked particularly good at LG; Munford was injured in today's game and was replaced by Matthew Jones, who seems a better natural fit at guard. Luke Wypler has been fine in place of an (injured?) Harry Miller. Paris Johnson has generally been good this season, but today he had an untimely hands-to-the-face penalty that negated a 47-yard completion. All things considered, OL is the least of the Buckeyes' worries.

5. As mentioned above, C.J. Stroud completed only 15 passes, and thus the Buckeye WRs were very quiet today. Last week against Oregon, the starting trio of Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba combined for 27 receptions, 388 yards, and 3 TDs; against Tulsa, they had only 8 receptions for 103 yards and 1 TD, with Olave being completely shut out on just four targets (one of which was a very bad drop on his part). The tight ends were more involved than normal, with 4 receptions on 4 targets for 63 yards; Cade Stover and Gee Scott, Jr. each had his first career reception, going for 17 yards and 16 yards, respectively.

6. The Buckeye defense allowed 501 total yards, 25 first downs, and 31:34 time of possession. And that really wasn't the worst of it, as Tulsa was able to convert 10 of 18 (55.6 pct) on 3rd downs, with many of those conversions coming on 3rd-and-long, including 3rd-and-7; 3rd-and-9; 3rd-and-9; 3rd-and-10; 3rd-and-12; and 3rd-and-12 for a 22-yard TD. Quarterback Davis Brin was 31 of 54 for 428 yards and a pair of TDs; his favorite target was WR Josh Johnson, who had 8 receptions for 149 yards and a score.

7. Some good news for the Buckeye defense: After going 7+ quarters without recording a sack, the Buckeyes finally had a pair in the second half of today's game. The first came from reserve DT Antwuan Jackson, who has been very quiet during his four years in Columbus. The second sack was courtesy of true freshman Tyleik Williams, who was very disruptive every time he saw the field; in general, Williams looked like the proverbial SEC defensive tackle - big, fast, relentless, unblockable.

8. Another thought from the Spring Game....

If Sawyer gets 3.5 sacks in 2021, he might lead this team in that category.

9. The Buckeyes also forced a pair of interceptions, with Ronnie Hickman and Cameron Martinez each getting his first pick as a Buckeye. Martinez's interception was of the pick six variety; at 61 yards, it tied for 17th-longest in Buckeye history. In two games against Tulsa, the Buckeyes now have three pick sixes of Golden Hurricane quarterbacks, as both Marshon Lattimore and Malik Hooker accomplished that feat in the 2016 contest.

9. Tommy Eichenberg finally had an impact play, a nice hit on a receiver to break up a pass in the 4th quarter. However, on the very next play, Eichenberg got caught in the wrong gap, was late to fill, and allowed a 24-yard run right up the gut. Things like that cannot continue to happen at Ohio State.

10. Denzel Burke and Cameron Brown seem to have solidified themselves at cornerback, while some combination of Cameron Martinez, Lathan Ransom, and Ronnie Hickman should suffice at safety.

11. The special teams were excellent today. The kick coverage team gave up just 37 yards on 3 returns (12.3 average), with walk-on RB Xavier Johnson recording a pair of tackles. Johnson also had a pair of kick returns for 37 yards, while true freshman Emeka Egbuka had two returns for 53 yards and nearly broke one for a long gain. Jesse Mirco had 3 punts for 133 yards (44.3 average) with all three being downed inside the 20-yard line. Noah Ruggles connected on both FG attempts (43 yards; 44 yards), and seems to be the answer at PK after several years of uncertainty at that position.

12. This was far from a great game, but it was still a win. If the coaching staff is any good at their jobs, then they are using games like this to see who can play and who cannot; in a few weeks, we should have tighter rotations, especially on defense. The main question mark going forward will be at quarterback: can C.J. Stroud lay an unequivocal claim to the starting job, or will we see a mid-season QB controversy in Columbus?

I'm just here for the LJB posts, spot on in every point. I'll try to do my game analysis, but this is way better than whatever shit I will type. I'm drunk and have nothing nice to say after seeing the game today, so I'll just go to bed. Go Bucks, a win is a win.
 
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I have a strong desire to skip the QB podium from now on, that’s my only take on the situation. I don’t even want to debate playing time as that’s a coaching decision.

I’ll mostly just listen to Day for any postgame QB questions.

Henderson looked like a 1st round #1 pick out there. What an amazing performance. If he brings half of this electricity to Big 10 play, opposing teams won’t be able to afford the bill. Going to be fun watching him and hoping his knee gets the proper attention/rest.

Some of the young guys on D looked hungry. Hopefully that energy resonates with the rest of the unit. Still a lot to get fixed, but we do have some warriors ready to show what they can do.

I’m not sure why I heard anything about an Olave miss. He is one of the best players on the team. Nothing to talk about here as far as I’m concerned. If anyone thinks he’s the problem, I have some bad news… :lol:
 
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